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Undertale: Minor LS downgrade and Asriel intelligence update

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Just decided to give a minor fix for this fella.

Asriel's Intelligence

For some reason the profile doesn't include sections for his child self, so I fixed that and did this. References will be added in the profile if accepted.

Also updated from Above Average to Genius, due to him being basically almost omniscient over the whole Underground thanks to the absurd amount of resets he made, having learned almost every single bit of knownledge and detail that is possible to learn in the Underground, to the point he can accurately predict what the outcomes of his actions would be, or what will the characters say and/or do. I don't think that merely "show greater cognitive ability than the norm, but do not particularly stand out in any intellectual or academic fields." fits this, like at all.

Lifting Strength stuff

Some things about the LS stuff for Undertale never seemed right to me.

Scaling from Class 10

Ok so why are some of the characters Class 10? That is got through Papyrus' and Mettaton's attacks, but these are, ya know, attacks, even their profiles say they're not physically that strong, nor they can lift that much. However, there's still the Ice Wolf scaling (Class 5) which can be used. Characters who can get an update from being clearly physically stronger than him are:
Papyrus and Mettaton will have a "Class 5 physically, Class 10 via Magic" or something I suppose.

Flowey

For his base form, he didn't just close the elevator's doors, but also moved the elevator from the True Lab until it reached New Home. Considering than an elevator's minimal weight ranges between 400 and 600 kg, I think that Class 1 for his vines (while leaving his actual physical LS Unknown for lack of feats otherwise) is appropriate here.

Photoshop Flowey

He obviously upscales from the Class 5 value I've mentioned above, but there's more.

As said in the profile, he managed to to held with no effort Papyrus, Undyne, Asgore, Toriel, Sans and Undyne at the same time. However, the reason why he doesn't have a multiplier is due to him helding each of them with different sets of vines, so he doesn't scale.

Well, I disagree with it, I'd like to remember that these are all small vines, a smaller part of the bigger ones Flowey is made of. It's obvious as hell that his whole body is stronger than the combined strenght of all the smaller vines, it's like saying that my whole hand isn't stronger than the combined strenght of all my 5 fingers.

Given that 4 of these characters are Class 5 (2.42 Tons), x4 gives me 9.68 Tons, which while still Class 5, I'd like to remember that is still something Flowey did with no effort at all, meaning that he'd can upscale to Class 10 (10 Tons), meaning that he'd be "Class 10, likely higher", and his God of Hyperdeath form being instead "At least Class 10, likely far higher" for being, like, infinitely stronger.
 
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This should be fine.

By the way, the first elevator mass link you posted is 2100 lbs (952.544 kg) at bare minimum, not 400 kg. Also, you can get the KE/Force of Flowey moving the elevator from True Lab to New Home.
 
Actually, the "down" speed seems to be using the max average speed for elevators, so yeah
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I guess one could argue that since the Underground are far more technologically advanced than us, they'd have pretty fast elevators, maybe?
 
Wait wouldn't flowey scale to Class 5 himself via restricting every monster on screen before he turns into Asriel? (you know the part where he extends vines in the true pacifist ending and catches everyone?)
 
he didn't absorb them at the time. He acquired them but he didn't absorb him as otherwise he would've turned into Photoshop Flowey.
Photoshop Flowey seems to be a conscious choice on his part, using the immense power of the SOULs to alter the “game” and himself to be more frightening.
 
I actually had this argument in an old thread,
Guess you forgot the "under my power" part
While you guys were having your little pow-wow…
I took the human SOULS!
And now, not only are THOSE under my power…
But all of your FRIENDS’ SOULS are gonna be mine, too!
Hee hee hee.
And you know what the best part is?
It’s all your fault.
It’s all because you MADE THEM love you.
Not to mention, if he didn't absorb the SOULs he wouldn't even have the power needed absorb the underground since it requires "incredible power
Well his later line "But all of your FRIENDS’ SOULS are gonna be mine, too!" really implies he absorbed them, no?
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According to the third lab entry, forcefully removing a soul from a living monster would require incredible power, and unless we assume Base Flowey is leagues above everyone else, it's safe to assume he absorbed the 6 SOULs
 
So it wasn't base Flowey restraining them, it'd be Flowey with 6 Absorbed Souls, because Flowey in the same circumstances absorbed the SOUL of every monster in the underground, which doing for even one monster would require incredible power, & that'd be impossible for base Flowey unless he was leagues above everyone else?
 
I still like mine better since scaling the elevator sides/walls is more conservative.

The black part of the screen assumed to be containing the elevator being solid steel looks to be inflating the mass/hollow volume.
 
I still like mine better since scaling the elevator sides/walls is more conservative.

The black part of the screen assumed to be containing the elevator being solid steel looks to be inflating the mass/hollow volume.
I mean, you can pretty much see that the floor of the elevator touches both the left side and the bottom side of the screen, which makes it feel like the entire screen is the elevator itself. I'd say what I have is accurate.
 
Been thinking more and... yeah, don't think anyone outside Asgore/Toriel and whoever else that's stronger than them can be 8-B.

They're Boss Monsters for a reason, and Flowey being this strong can be likely attributed to him having both DT and Asriel's dust as part of him, meaning that maybe (and I mean MAYBE) the only one who can backscale from this is kid Asriel, tbh.
 
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