Ah, that complicates things a bit. Also, I'm not sure if this is true, but doesn't the staff vary in power and speed based on who's using it? I recall hearing something along those lines. It's possible that when it pulled off the MHS feat that more power was exerted into it to greatly increase its size and speed but when used in this feat was only used to apply supersonic speed to it.
It varies in size depending on how many people are touching it. Shen and Mui together made it super large against Summer. And then later on Shen, Mui, and Feng used it together to push back God. But there was no mention of a speed increase although a speed increase is plausible.
This doesn't seem like breaking the sound barrier, however, that isn't important since there would be no reason why he wouldn't be MHS due to downscaling.
Same reason as mentioned before, there wouldn't be a reason this would be an anti-feat.
We can see Shen and Andy (Andy does react slightly) having trouble reacting here, Billy is unknown. He has been shown not to care about getting damaged due to having Undead. This would also apply to the revolver as he is nonchalant about getting shot, he barely acknowledges it.
This is possibly due to the nature of Unstoppable, the speed it gives the user varies but I can agree this instance is slightly inconsistent. Furthermore, Andy can react to it, the problem was the force of the kick, Fuuko however could not react. For the final scan you showed here, I have 2 major problems. First of all, Andy again did react to it, but due to it being a surprise attack from around the corner, so he didn't have the time to dodge. It also seems to have been activated in advance as the bullets were already in the air by the time Andy went around the corner. The second problem I have is your "he also admitted beforehand that Top would be the one to strike him". The scan you've shown explains that Andy is vulnerable to Creed's gun due to the sheer force of the bullets, then explains that Chikara and Top are better candidates as Chikara can stop him and Top has the necessary movement speed to strike him while he's vulnerable so those two would be better and Andy would be better off somewhere else.
This part is untrue, Top has something every other character doesn't, movement speed which would allow the necessary attack to be performed. I do partially agree with you here however, movement speed should be separated from reaction or it should be clarified that the speed mentioned is reaction/combat.
I don't think this is a fair point. Tesla has Untell which can create an invisible barrier that stops attacks. This is also a version of Tesla whose interpretation we don't really know about. We don't know if this is sound or not.
Tesla was surprised that Juiz deflected one of Billy's bullets at point blank, not simply reacting to it. For the Billy scan, Andy looked at Billy, he was capable of reacting to it. Even if you do try to say he wasn't, this would still be a surprise attack so it isn't a good example of an anti-feat.
I won't respond to everything since you concluded that you agree it needs to be reworked. However, I disagree on a couple of things.
How fast does a person have to run in order to break their leg when they hit something? You'd need to answer that before using this instance as an argument.Would just like to point out that Billy's unstoppable being less refined than Top's
didn't stop Billy from breaking his leg lmao.
He intercepted Top in mid travel, are you just being daft here or what?
The scan itself debunks you. "you still need to block the attack" he physically could not move his body before getting hit meaning he's too slow.You aren't reading the manga if you think Andy can't react.
You realize that still only puts Billy in the supersonic range right? Nothing changes.
Andy couldn't move, it's made very clear that when Andy has Fuuko with him, fighting is harder in terms of dodging stuff. Here we have Gina just outright saying he would have dodged if he didn't have Fuuko with him. So going by this, being a very basic idea in reality, when he got kicked by Billy, he reacted physically
No, you haven't actually made a concrete argument for Top being only supersonic. Your only argument was breaking the sound barrier, which was based on just visual effect, no statement, no narrative backing that interpretation.
He didn't react physically. Billy is telling you that. Andy had to physically move Fuuko out of the way against Gina so that's not the same. He didn't block anything against Billy.
I showed Top outrunning and dodging bullets. You have continuously ignored that throughout this entire thread. That's a Supersonic feat or in the supersonic range. I'm not sure what you're not understanding about that.
He blocked the attack. that is a reaction, that is him moving his arm and swinging his sword to react. And my point completely went over your head, Andy struggles in combat when he has to worry about Fuuko, that is the same case against Billy.
Top kicked missiles too, did you just forget this? No one is ignoring them, you're just using that to limit the speed when a feat doesn't limit what a character can do.
He didn't stop, Billy hit him which broke his leg.
Dude what? Andy never swung his arm... You are reaching badly here. That literally didn't happen. Billy says in the scan Andy needs to block...meaning he didn't block. There's no way you actually believe what you're saying right now.
Where do you see Andy moving his arm at all in these scans??
You're just lying at this point.
How do you think Billy got his leg cut off? Why do you think Billy said "not bad"? I genuinely don't know if you're being disingenuous here or actually just oblivious to what happened.
Ah, you are completely right. I didn't notice his leg was cut off. That's my mistake.
I mean I wear glasses lol. Don't have the best eyesight. However, this doesn't change the scaling.
Yeah, I agree. I appreciate your input earlier.
He wasn't hit in the leg, he redirected top and caused him to stop which broke his leg.
Nah he literally kicked Top and sent him crashing to the ground.
Yeah and he stopped, top breaks his leg by stopping often in the series. He didn't appear to be kicked in the leg either.
He didn't stop, it only looks that way. You know how the only way for Top to stop is by breaking part of his body, in the scan before the kick, the leg we see broken in the next page is fine, which would mean Billy's kick hit Top in the leg, breaking his leg.
He says to top "you can't stop unless your body under goes drastic changes" then both of their legs are broken. It's the power not the kick, I don't see what this has to do with the speed scaling to begin with??
why would it be closed soon lmao, no mods have commented yet
Everything seems sorted out, but I guess we can wait on a mod
