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Una-Void-able Kirby upgrades

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Also, I think the distance + galaxy size should be the explosion diameter, not the radius. I personally prefer the mid-end so let's go with that.

Radius = 1.0894031e+19 / 2 = 5.4470155e+18 km

Explosion Yield = (5.4470155e+18 / 0.28)^3 = 7.36210046e+57 kilotons = 3.08030283e+70 Joules; Multi-Galaxy level (3-B)
 
So here's the deal about scaling.

we currently have the characters at 4-A, likely 3-C because of the FH scaling.
the 4-A in Star allies is 4x Magolor's feat (4-A version) whilst the 3-C is 120x the feat (as each heart potentially scales to the 4-A feat)

Would we keep the scaling?
Because in the case that the feat we will use scales to 3-B then that would scale the 4-A, likely 2-C key to 3-C
If it is 3-C then it would scale anywhere from absolute topline 4-A to low end 3-C.

Also the 4x scaling now disappears...until the tier 2 part

Now about 2-C
Would the 120/4x scaling work on it?

Would creating 4x master crowns make Void scale to 64 universes or would it just be 4x basline 16 universes?

Would we use Friend Hearts to make VT scale to 120x basline 16 universes?
 
So has what Eficiente suggested been accepted?
 
Antvasima said:
So has what Eficiente suggested been accepted?
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Most people who have come to the thread (3 mods and some notable members) have agreed with the upgrades though we are currently discussing the slecifics of the upgrade and the calcs for the 3-C/3-B tier we're getting
 
Arceus0x said:
So here's the deal about scaling.

we currently have the characters at 4-A, likely 3-C because of the FH scaling.
the 4-A in Star allies is 4x Magolor's feat (4-A version) whilst the 3-C is 120x the feat (as each heart potentially scales to the 4-A feat)

Would we keep the scaling?
Because in the case that the feat we will use scales to 3-B then that would scale the 4-A, likely 2-C key to 3-C
If it is 3-C then it would scale anywhere from absolute topline 4-A to low end 3-C.

Also the 4x scaling now disappears...until the tier 2 part

Now about 2-C
Would the 120/4x scaling work on it?

Would creating 4x master crowns make Void scale to 64 universes or would it just be 4x basline 16 universes?

Would we use Friend Hearts to make VT scale to 120x basline 16 universes?
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As ridiculous as it sounds, I don't see why not. A Low 2-C feat can't be 2-C no matter how many multipliers you give it, but to my knowledge, the same doesn't apply to 2-C feats becoming higher 2-C or even 2-B. Unless someone has a debunk for the scaling chain we already had, 120 universes into 2-C should be fine to apply.
 
The_Pink_God said:
So now the last thing is deciding if we use my calc or use Dragon calc
Oh boy :/
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I'm not a calc evaluator like I said, but I don't understand how an explosion that consumed more than 2 galaxies can be lower than 3-B, so I'm leaning towards your calc. The way Effi describes the feat (which sounds about right to me) should make it even more impressive, too.
 
I was asking to be sure. You see according to this wiki the distance between universes can differ.
So the difference between 3 universal destroyer and a 4 universal destroyer is treated as incalculable and potentially infinite. So yeah you'd need like and uncountable infinity multiplier or so i heard. That's why I'm asking as I'm not 100% sure
 
Arceus0x said:
I was asking to be sure. You see according to this wiki the distance between universes can differ.
So the difference between 3 universal destroyer and a 4 universal destroyer is treated as incalculable and potentially infinite. So yeah you'd need like and uncountable infinity multiplier or so i heard. That's why I'm asking as I'm not 100% sure
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The distance differs across series, but if it has no reason to differ in the same series unless there's evidence to make that assumption from. For example, the distance between universe 1 and universe 2 has no reason to be any different than the one between universe 2 and 3 in the same cosmology, and the same would should go for 16 or 120 universes. Nothing in our tiering system seems to contradict this and it just makes perfect sense.

By the way, do we need more staff approval or are we almost done? All we need to do is chose between the two calcs and figure out the scaling, right?
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
The distance differs across series, but if it has no reason to differ in the same series unless there's evidence to make that assumption from. For example, the distance between universe 1 and universe 2 has no reason to be any different than the one between universe 2 and 3 in the same cosmology, and the same would should go for 16 or 120 universes. Nothing in our tiering system seems to contradict this and it just makes perfect sense.

By the way, do we need more staff approval or are we almost done? All we need to do is chose between the two calcs and figure out the scaling, right?
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Yes, we need to chose one of the two calcs and we need to chose the right scaling. I think we need Effi for the scaling whilst the whole ordeal with the 3-C/3-B calc has to be decided by those who know more about calcs.

Another option is separating the revisions, adding the 3-C/3-B later
 
The 2-C AP is always 15 or 16 universes and far into the same amount, if you guys believe otherwise then that's on you to make a CRT or staff thread to have the tiering say how and why would upscaling changes that.

Math wise idk which calc is more correct, was the latter done as in "actually the former calc is incorrect, this one should be more accurate" or "the former calc may be correct, but this method should also be taken into consideration"? It seems to be the former and if so the last calc should be used, once evaluated.

Also to note, small parts of the terrain of the battle survived this while
  • Void Termina can rip it open with his axe, which the Star Allies can survive hits of.
  • Void Termina can nail his lances into it, which the Star Allies can survive.
  • The vehicle of the Star Allies seems to rip away some small parts of the terrain with a fully charged shot. Or at least I think that's what the animation shows, it's weird as they can even do it in the air.
If I'm not missing something then this should all be more reasons to scale to the explosion.
 
So according to you

we get

5-A | At least 4-A, likely 2-C | At least 3-C, likely 2-C

but

how does the scaling i mentioned above work?
Do we use the jamba hearts to downscale the second key or not?
 
So have you reached an agreement here now?
 
Yo @Efficiente
The 3-C feat is being put into question in DargonGamer's calc blog. Could you please respond to Migue in there!
 
Could we try getting now Star Allies info? I want to see if those jamba hearts created only the bosses, or they created the entire realms HiAD takes in, this would solidify the 2-C tier if it's true.
Remember there is also the possibility that Void is the creator of the Kirby verse, or at the very least, Kirby's universe.
 
Kirby71 said:
Could we try getting now Star Allies info? I want to see if those jamba hearts created only the bosses, or they created the entire realms HiAD takes in, this would solidify the 2-C tier if it's true.
Remember there is also the possibility that Void is the creator of the Kirby verse, or at the very least, Kirby's universe.
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idk man we don't know where to find that type of info so...
 
Either way what matters right now is agreeing on the scaling and dealing with the 3-C feat

What we have gotten fully accepted:

-key separation
-4-A, likely 2-C
-2-C scaling 120x baseline 16 universes (as in, 16 universes but very deep into it)

What is still under discussion
-the 3-C feat
 
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