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Yes.
Also Fatehax makes it near damn impossible for him to kill let alone incap Sonic.
Also Fatehax makes it near damn impossible for him to kill let alone incap Sonic.
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Ultra Sonic Vs. Gilgamesh(fate)
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Reasons for him resisting it?
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Apparently everything Sonic dishes out are Conceptual 2, there's that.
But there's AP advantage for Sonic to consider.
But there's AP advantage for Sonic to consider.
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I explained why they wouldn't work in my vote but ok.ThisIsMySwagPack said:
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Pre-Gen Sonic: exists
Every Sonic fan when he gets a match: "lol fate hax"
Every Sonic fan when he gets a match: "lol fate hax"
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^It's disgustingly hilarious how accurate that is lol.
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FTFY.VioletVoid100 said:
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Reasons as to why he resists Ten Crowns are:
1. It sounds like a NLF.
2. Sonic is far higher into 2-A.
3. It has no feats of negating type 2 conceptual manipulation.
NLF part needs no addressing. Being higher into 2-A does not automatically give you resistance to hax. They are on the same level of existence. They aren't High 2-A vs 2-A. Third part is the same. His type 2 conceptual manipulation isn't on a higher level, from what I see. It doesn't have to have feats of negating something. The ability does what it does and it's on 2-A level.
How high into 2-A is he? How much does his stats get amplified and how fast?
1. It sounds like a NLF.
2. Sonic is far higher into 2-A.
3. It has no feats of negating type 2 conceptual manipulation.
NLF part needs no addressing. Being higher into 2-A does not automatically give you resistance to hax. They are on the same level of existence. They aren't High 2-A vs 2-A. Third part is the same. His type 2 conceptual manipulation isn't on a higher level, from what I see. It doesn't have to have feats of negating something. The ability does what it does and it's on 2-A level.
How high into 2-A is he? How much does his stats get amplified and how fast?
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It goes like this.
14 Chaos Emeralds are enough to do a 2-A feat. The green Chaos Emeralds alone were enough to cover the surface of the entire planet and create an ocean, and all seven colors of Chaos Emeralds were gathered "throughout the cosmos" to bring them into the Zone of Silence and were infused into a single set of 7.
So, uh... Ridiculously high into 2-A.
14 Chaos Emeralds are enough to do a 2-A feat. The green Chaos Emeralds alone were enough to cover the surface of the entire planet and create an ocean, and all seven colors of Chaos Emeralds were gathered "throughout the cosmos" to bring them into the Zone of Silence and were infused into a single set of 7.
So, uh... Ridiculously high into 2-A.
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So, Gilgamesh's own Statistics amplification is enough to close the gap between them.
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Unless you don't like SonicShadowWarrior1999 said:
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@ThisIsMySwagPack Not all hax works like that. You still need feats of nullifying someone immensely stronger than you. Saying that an ability can null something way above what it has shown to nullify is the textbook definition of a NLF. On top of that, Sonic is resistant to power null.
No one has type 2 conceptual manipulation in Fate.
No one has type 2 conceptual manipulation in Fate.
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This is also a NLF. He's not closing the gap if the AP difference is too large.ThisIsMySwagPack said:
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Type 2 is hax like any other. It's not type 1, which is 1-A in nature. They are on the same level of existence. By your logic hax from a 7-B character can't affect 7-A character. It's not power nullification, but negation through subjective reality.
NLF would be saying he can boost himself to high 2-A. This is a guy who boost himself from fighting 7-A character to fighting 2-A character. The difference in the AP is not that great from what the other guy described.
Also, don't throw "NLF". Come up with a reasonable argument.
NLF would be saying he can boost himself to high 2-A. This is a guy who boost himself from fighting 7-A character to fighting 2-A character. The difference in the AP is not that great from what the other guy described.
Also, don't throw "NLF". Come up with a reasonable argument.
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Has Gilgamesh shown nulling type 2?
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Has Sonic shown bypassing Subjective Reality?
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Chaos Emeralds "Dreams into Reality".
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(Coughs blood) Gah... It's getting toxic in here.
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That's listed as reality warping on his profile.
I could just let this thread go, but this is more interesting.
I could just let this thread go, but this is more interesting.
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@ThisIsMySwagPack Like I said, not all hax works like that. Saying "lol it's hax" doesn't change that you still feats of negating attacks from someone vastly stronger.
Boosted himself to baseline 2-A, Sonic is massively above that and also has passive stat amping. So yes, saying he can boost himself to Sonic's level is a NLF.
Boosted himself to baseline 2-A, Sonic is massively above that and also has passive stat amping. So yes, saying he can boost himself to Sonic's level is a NLF.
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Nah, because not only his he hundreds of thousands to possibly millions of times stronger depending on just how many Chaos Emeralds were throughout the cosmos, he's also getting stronger throughout the fight as well with passive Stats Amp of his own.ThisIsMySwagPack said:
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Grace started for Sonic since 15 hours ago btw
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Provide feats of Sonic bypassing Subjective reality.
He isn't baseline 2-A. It's not nlf.
He isn't baseline 2-A. It's not nlf.
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>Sonic already has a passive stat amp so Gil has quite a way to catch up.
>Sonic uses Chaos Control and conceptually erases Gil like he did with the Chaos Force that was filled with entities thousands of times stronger than Gil and have resistance to said ability.
>Gil can only incap Sonic because Fatehax and Gil gets infected by PIS as well.
>Even if Gil was able to somehow to amp his stats to the same level of Sonic Type 8 literally prevents Sonic from being erased or being oneshot.
>Sword of Acorns drains gg.
>Sonic could also null and BFR in Ultra.
>Sonic also resists pretty much anything Gil can throw at Sonic.Also subjective reality isn't useful when your opponent is stronger and can warp said reality.
>Sonic uses Chaos Control and conceptually erases Gil like he did with the Chaos Force that was filled with entities thousands of times stronger than Gil and have resistance to said ability.
>Gil can only incap Sonic because Fatehax and Gil gets infected by PIS as well.
>Even if Gil was able to somehow to amp his stats to the same level of Sonic Type 8 literally prevents Sonic from being erased or being oneshot.
>Sword of Acorns drains gg.
>Sonic could also null and BFR in Ultra.
>Sonic also resists pretty much anything Gil can throw at Sonic.Also subjective reality isn't useful when your opponent is stronger and can warp said reality.
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How much time is left?
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Two more hours.
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Is the author counting votes?
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I counted 9 for Sonic.
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Actually, it seems people agree that depending on how the null works, it should be an option as long as the two characters are of the same dimensional axis and the character getting nulled doesn't have resistance (Good enough to counter the null).ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Although that thread is nowhere near being concluded yet. (Thread here)
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I'm not getting the argument of the thread. Perhaps I need a crash course or something.
Take Gilgamesh's powernull (and forgetting for a moment the Sword of Acorn is at play). As this thread has said, Gilgamesh has never shown powernulling a being so high above baseline like Ultra Sonic. Sonic, who AP's grows stronger during the battle and is stated to be invulnerable.
I'm not sure how the Stone Petrification in that thread could be an equivalent example to Super Sonic's invulnerability, let alone Ultra Sonic's.
Take Gilgamesh's powernull (and forgetting for a moment the Sword of Acorn is at play). As this thread has said, Gilgamesh has never shown powernulling a being so high above baseline like Ultra Sonic. Sonic, who AP's grows stronger during the battle and is stated to be invulnerable.
I'm not sure how the Stone Petrification in that thread could be an equivalent example to Super Sonic's invulnerability, let alone Ultra Sonic's.
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Umm...I have no comment on whether or not Glly's Power Null works here. I was addressing the argument that Power Nullifcation can automatically be beaten by AP in any situation.
I don't know enough about either of these characters to say whether or not Gil can power null Sonic.
I don't know enough about either of these characters to say whether or not Gil can power null Sonic.
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Sonic can resist powernull and the null would have to work on a being thousands of times higher than Gil.Also this is Ultra Sonic with a passive stat amp which would make it harder to completely null him.
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Pretty sure grace is over awhile ago
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Now it is.
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