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Ultra Pokémon Discussion Thread (Discussion thread 7)

Necrozma in that state is dying though. And they were fresh. And we dont know how much weaker that necrozma would be in that form.

Maybe, but that would make the tapu and litteraly every ub 4-B.

Pretty sure it's stated it can't control the power and is in extreme pain.

Also add the fact solgaleo was actually being used to light up megapolis, it pales in comparison when it the same feat.
 
Kukui, ya do know necrozma has no relation to them right? Like at all, even in lore. It isnt even a Pokemon or a ub, necrozma is something else entirely.
 
I might be wrong, but didn't Rayquaza not need Mega Evolution to beat the Primals? And the power for M-Rayquaza was used for meteor busting?

Oh, by the way, Mega Rayquaza and Deoxys and those who scale should be Planet level.
 
Yeah, its stated they went primal, Rayquaza beat them both at once, the 1000 years later it happened again but he went mega that time.

Which would be rayqyqza and Deoxys? Because that would basically be it.
 
Where does it say Necrozma is dying? It just says that it has lost its power. As such reverted to Prism Necrozma. And once again, 4-B's can stomp other 4-Bs. I don't see them being over thousands of times weaker than Necrozma. Although we have never calced Solgaleo or Lunala providing light for Alola or something. But I think these calcs are a pain.

I mean, is that an issue. If this goes through, nothing says they shouldn't be.

Again, that doesn't mean that he's weaker. It has likely been what, years since he had his true power? Of course he wouldn't be able fully control his power.

Was he? Where was that stated?

@Kukui

Believe it or not, Necrozma has literally no connection to Solgaleo and Lunala. Other than sharing battle music, being able to create Ultra Wormholes, control light and technically being part Ultra Beast and Part Pokemon. But in all honesty, to them, Necrozma is just a random being who just so happens can steal light and is compatible with them due to them being light based.

It's weird.
 
According to Bulbapedia, in Pokémon Adventures, Grand Meteor Delta is supposed to be a planet buster. And we upgraded Majora with the same basis, so there should be no difference.

@J-man. Mew Duo, Genesect, Aura Trio, Mega Diancie, and Magearna as well.
 
Also, normally, not being able to control your power makes you more dangerous rather than less, as you can't hold back.
 
If the meteor size and crash power are indeed in this range, then yes. It also appears that its pieces oneshotted Mega Groudon and Kyogre.
 
Dying? Not exactly explicit but what happens after the final fight implies it. And first off, even if they arent a thiusand times weaker than necrozma, it wouldn't mean anything if base nectozma isny tier 4. Add the fact solgaleo cant even come close to replicating the reason theyre tier 4 either .

Its stated he cant control that light.

Ive been informed, by dozens that the recon are using theur own solgaleo/lunala for the last bit of light.

The manga meteor? Life wiping and planet busting aren't the same thing. Also >bulbapedia. >accurate.

Also Rayquaza litterally hollowed out Deoxys in one attack. Deoxys is comparable to base Rayquaza but mega is pushing it.
 
Dark, them one hitting them is a no go, they barely did any collateral when the debree, the same no less, hit elsewhere and it was from a different meteor.
 
Fair enough. However, is there anything else for Solgaleo and Lunala to scale from? That Low 6-B rating seems very off....They did fight 4 Low 6-B's who are scaled to the Birds, so maybe solid 6-B for them?
 
"If the planet you were living on was to be completely obliterated in 10 days... what would you spend those 'final days' doing, and with whom?"

This is literally panel one (well...panel two, but it's a gag page of an event that happens later)

Rayquaza hit Deoxys' weak point with his strongest attack after fighting for quite a while.
 
Likely/Solid 5-B for destroying an asteroid that was said to be capable of completely obliterating the Planet seems fine.
 
Deoxys has shown to fight better with Rayquaza than Mega Ray and it could be better to not scale Base Mewtwo to 5-B, but rather at least High 6-A from Rayquaza and Deoxys.
 
Yet what we see later contradicts that. Also ya.realize this would scale to starterz right?

And? Rayquaza didn't show much of any effort and the moment he wanted him gone he ohkoed, and did it befire Deoxys realized it happened. Plus Deoxys is more commonly depicted as being equal to base, not the form leagues above base.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Yet what we see later contradicts that. Also ya.realize this would scale to starterz right?
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We don't scale basic Pokemon to legends unless specifically stated like Shadow Metagross and Tyranitar.
 
>Deoxys fights Mega Rayquaza in the games

>Deoxys fights Mega Rayquaza in Generations

>Deoxys fights Mega Rayquaza in Adventures

As opposed to...

>Deoxys fights Rayquaza in M07
 
Games we have no idea what actually happened.

Generations maybe.

In adventures Deoxys gets one hit in, a sneak attack no less, then Rayquaza one shots it, and it may not have even been dragon ascent either, nothing saud it was and it lacked the aura.
 
That entire arc is bullshit, high 8-C primal at the most, tier 6-5 starters, zinnia getting impaled by fug, ruby taking.a salamemce hyperbeam to the face. Out of all pokemon arcs that one is the most bullshit. Which is bad becayse the original arc was good .
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Kukui, ya do know necrozma has no relation to them right? Like at all, even in lore. It isnt even a Pokemon or a ub, necrozma is something else entirely.
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Well considering the game just came out literally today and im trying to avoid as much spoilers as I can atm, I didnt know this. But since both you and Dragon addressed it, i'll concede here.
 
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