TTGL... seriously?

[PrinceofPein]

Yes please, cuz it'd be much better if you know the things rather than debating things you aren't aware of. It's stupid dawg


It's in the episode 24 and 3:42


Statistic being reduced to 0 isn't a durability neg now lol? Dawg, now you're saying that probability manipulation can't be used as dura neg since whatsoever reasons one's make, it's all increasing/decreasing percentage. The ability was also used by the Ashtanga which is 5-A at most to 3-A SGGL, and it worked


Change your opinion first

If you have the scans link them to the PnA session period
Also probability manip that reduced someone change of wining to zero is not dura neg

 

[Confluctor]

it's literally explained by lord genome that anti spiral manipulate the dimensional probability fluctuaction to make their winning chance zero ( dura neg or whatsoever you say statistic reduction which is literally had the same point).

....yeah probability manip and stat reduction. that's not dura neg tho

and

that's why I made this thread in the first place. but it seems most of you want to scream angrily than actually be productive.

anyway, I would recommend most of you to avoid replying now. except for those who can send scans.

 

[sanicspood]

Just put the scans on the mf profile, Jesus

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Just put the scans on the mf profile, Jesus

Sure I will if Confluctor want it. And close this thread. I promise will put the scans for all of *****.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Tbf, the page is really old, and the P&A section does have a large wall of text that needs reformatting. And there are a lot of outdated abilities; I remember when FTL had its own page despite it being something reserved for the speed section.

We already discussed in great length over the tiers and what not, but the abilities definitely need fixing.

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

???

Who taught you'll that statistic reduction to 0 (which in-context actually refers to defense negating by lowering it to 0%) isn't a Durability Negation? If one could do that to his opponent, then whatsoever durability levels his opponents have, as long as they are still intacted with 3-dimensional size, their durability will get passed. Because Durability Negation is only an ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of its durability. Which is hax, hax is a durability negation at the first place, and Probability Manipulation is hax. Saying that it isn't a durability negation is akin saying that durability is relevant to hax-resisting or some *****. Even the Durability Negation page mentioned Conceptual Manipulation, Soul Manipulation , Mind Manipulation, et cetera, as durability negating since no matter how big your durability is as long as the hax has range, you're ******.

And again as Akuma said, said hax allowed the Ashtangas which were only about 5-A to damaged SGGL which was 3-A (where the previous attacks inflicted zero damage). So it is a Durability Negation, saying otherwise is mental gymnastic. I don't understand why the hell this was debated since it's something super obvious.

 

[Confluctor]

I agree with poor quality profile of the characters in Gurren Laggan. The plan was that if I could, I would voluntarily help explain and provide evidence regarding the abilities that were there. For now I will explain here along with the evidence.


Power Null Justification.
At first they were a spirals people. However, they defected and called themselves the "Anti Spiral". They defected because of the reason that Spiral power can create Apocalypse (Spiral Nemesis) so that the Anti Spirals lock and eliminate the evolution of their own Spiral power. Spiral Power is the force which binds together lifeforms and the universe. By negating their own spiral power, they need to live outside the universe which is why they created their own Universe on 10th - 11th D scale. That's why it is included in "Power Nullification" because Anti Spirals negate and eliminate the evolution of their own Spiral power.

Translate for this:
"The universe was a closed universe. How many years were reassembled there? Of course, it doesn't make sense to count the time that has passed by in this space. Until known, there will be enemies who have been frozen. Time began to flow again with that information. The isolated universe, which was created solely for the purpose of eradicating the Spirals, are a major element that make up the universe."

So, they broke themselves from a universal energy system. That is good and all, but that's energy manip. I read the scans and it doesn't really indicate power null. Breaking yourself from a universal energy system is not the same as power null tho.

It's a separate term that exists in the TTGL verse, where those with Spiral powers can create their own objects using their energy to "drill" as weapons. Example? Simon.

I know, but I don't think it can be linked like that. We should probably find alternate wording for it.

Does this need to be questioned again? FTL is obvious because the size of the planes from Gurren Laggan and Anti Spiral have reached the planetonics upto galactic stage and also have warp transport that moves on a scale much faster than light. So it makes sense to include it. But you can also remove it since FTL is not an ability rather a speed case.

FTL doesn't go into P&A section...

Dimensional Travel Negation Justifications.

Here's the scan. Just like how @GreatIskandar1405 said, Anti Spiral capable to negating Gurren Laggan Ships device that allow them to Dimensional Travel.

So, they tried to go to Nia, but they didn't move at all because fake Nia was interfering with it. seems like spatial manip

Spatial Manipulation, Portal Creation, BFR Justification.

Anti Spiral is the universe itself. Because he is the universe itself, it has been said time and again that the Anti Spiral has complete control over his universe. Including controlling aspects of it's dimensions. As you can see here, Anti Spiral can even rip the space to explain about Spiral Power. He also make a portal to attacks Earth once via Nia.

These should be good to add to the file itself.

But where is BFR? I can't see it

Durability Negation and Probability Manipulation Justifications.

Here's the scans with the explanations. We know that the Probability Fluctuations possessed by the Anti Spiral can also be included in the Space-Time Manipulation because that ability is one with the existence of the Anti Spiral itself which is also the universe. And in the Durability Negation session there is an explanation of the Space-Time Durability Negation that can match this Anti Spiral ability; Characters who have the ability to manipulate space and time, can easily bypass physical durability of objects. Conventional durability does not matter, because the matter is secondary in relation to space and time. For example, it's as easy to distort a material object by distorting a portion of the space in which it is located. Or even send the object (or part of it) back or forward in time. The effect on the object will be the same, whether it's a sheet of titanium or a piece of cardboard.

Which is clearly still included in the Durability Negation.

That scan seems more like attack nullification via probability manip instead of dura neg.

Also just because the page says time-space hax can negate durability, we can't just slap it on everyone unless they have feats. So, now I am asking, do we have any scans for the anti spiral actually negating their durability - other than the stat reduction/attack nullifcation scan?

Immortality Justifications.

Type 1: Anti Spiral's realm which is the Anti Spiral itself were timeless. Translation: "The universe was a closed universe. How many years were reassembled there? Of course, it doesn't make sense to count the time that has passed by in this space. Until known, there will be enemies who have been frozen. Time began to flow again with that information. The isolated universe, which was created solely for the purpose of eradicating the Spirals, are a major element that make up the universe."

Type 3: Scaling to Nia whose capable to regenerate after getting tortured by Anti Spiral itself. Nia is a part of the Anti Spiral. Translations for that scans:
"Nia's scream is the only sound that echoed in the empty room. The Anti-spiral's homeworld. The space between the tenth and eleventh dimensions. An empty space-time on this planet, separated from both time and space. Nia, trapped there, is now about to be completely analyzed by the Anti-Spiral's original form. "No matter how much you examine my body, you will never be able to defeat them now. He will come, you can be sure of that." Nia said, desperately trying to regenerate.

Type 8: Anti Spiral is the universe itself. Which means, he'll still exist if you not kill him along with his universe. That's why after Simon success to kill Anti Spiral, the Anti Spiral's universe explode.

First two, yes, but 8... so if I am getting you right, if one dies, the other dies with it, right?

Does this need to be questioned again? Anti Spiral obviously has Invulnerability because he can negate any possible attack around him. So the attack will not be able to injure him. At the same time, Anti Spiral is also the universe itself. How do you attack the universe with normal physical strength? Of course you can't.

that's not how invulnerability works. To be invulnerable to all attacks, you need to be unaffected by almost most things, not because of probability hax. they need to tank it

Abstract Existence (Type 1) Justifications.
Anti Spiral is the universe itself. He is pure abstract. The real entity of Anti Spiral onpar with Simon's Gurren Laggan who become the embodiment of thought. Translations for that scans: "Simon's greatest enemy is this universe itself. The greatest, strongest, and most fearsome enemy that attempts to eradicate all creatures with Spiral power. Even before Simon and his comrades, numerous Spiral warriors have challenged the Anti-Spiral and been buried. Its form has no discernible substance, has capability to lightly transcend time and space, affects the multiple-dimensions. It is truly an entity that can be called "the universe" itself."

That works. was simple

Mind Manipulation Justifications.

The Extradimensional Labyrinth is a trap to confine victim's consciousness into infinite possibilities by materializing the multiverse, generated by the divergence of the time axis at the moment of perception instant to instant and replacing it with infinite universes, a trap developed by the Anti-Spiral solely to prevent the Spiral Power from being used by the Spirals.

hmmm, I will relook at this in a bit

Large Size Justifications.
You should remove Large Size type 7 and 8 for Anti Spiral. They are indeed Large Size type 10. Anti Spiral is the embodiment of the Universe itself, which in his universe exist a 11 Dimensional Sub-Multiverses;

Yeah,

"Ninja Batman is a so-called "time thing" in which Batman is transported to the Warring States period. In Japanese anime, there's a restriction that if you change the past, the present will change, and I think people tend to be very cautious when it comes to time-altered anime. You don't worry about that kind of thing, and you go out on a limb.

Nakashima: That's because it's American comics. The world setting of the multiverse, or a universe full of universes, permeates the readership of American comics. And now, the time-modifying stuff is going to be the multiverse stuff, right? There's a whole universe of all kinds of possibilities, so no matter what you do, you're like, "Oh, that universe!" (laughs). The interpretation of the multiverse has advanced so rapidly in the last few decades that when we were children, it was only 4 dimensional, but now it is said to be 11 dimensional. Our job is to tell lies, so we take those theories and twist them into something interesting."

Kinda confused about this, what is this? cosmology?

Gravity Manipulation and Radiation Manipulation Justifications.

It clears that Anti Spiral as the Universe itself capable to manipulate the Gravity and the cosmic radiation/only radiation in his Universe. He even created a special region for this. (the scans exist in there so I don't need to bring or explain it again).

Grav yeah, but what about radiation?

Time Manipulation Justifications.

The homeworld of the Anti-Spiral has been separated from the rest of the space-time continuum, with an independent flow of time, and is made of non-euclidean matter. So it would still count as Time Manipulation because they are manipulates the timeflow of their universe independently than the outside world. Translate for that scans:
"It is a strange room. It is not even a room. It is a place separated from continuous time and space. It is surrounded by walls, but I couldn't tell if it is matter, or if it is fixed time, or if it is something else entirely. It doesn't radiate anything. It doesn't reflect anything. It is not interfered with by any time in the universe. It is an independent time flowing only in this room."

I know that they transcend the whole thing, but my point is, that doesn't automatically qualify for time-space resistance. Same reason why void creatures don't get quite a few of these abilities by default. they need to show it.

Immeasurable Lifting Strenght, Higher Dimensional Manipulation, Higher Dimensional Existence, Justifications.

First, they are fighting in a universe that is in a 10-11D membrane so it's weight is immeasurable if you comparing it to our 3-4D universe. They are shown to be able to lift objects as large as galaxies from the Universe which is said to be 10 - 11 D which if lifted will be considered as Immeasurable Lifting Strength. And Anti Spiral is the Universe itself of it (which the scans I have show you again and again).

All previous abillity that Anti Spiral have will get scaled to Simon too. Simon is able to manipulate the Spiral's power into the Anti Spiral's Universe. He materialized the spiraling power into it. And, we know that the Anti Spiral Universe is Higher Dimensional (10 - 11D scale). Simon's Super Tenggen Toppa Gurren Lagann is one with the existence of the Anti Spiral Universe energy which is on a scale of 10-11D, STTGL is the embodiment of the thought where the Super Spiral Universe is realized and this Super Spiral Universe exists on a par with the Anti Spiral Universe. Simon is STTGL itself.

Should work

 

[Confluctor]

???

Who taught you'll that statistic reduction to 0 (which in-context actually refers to defense negating by lowering it to 0%) isn't a Durability Negation? If one could do that to his opponent, then whatsoever durability levels his opponents have, as long as they are still intacted with 3-dimensional size, their durability will get passed. Because Durability Negation is only an ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of its durability. Which is hax, hax is a durability negation at the first place, and Probability Manipulation is hax. Saying that it isn't a durability negation is akin saying that durability is relevant to hax-resisting or some *****. Even the Durability Negation page mentioned Conceptual Manipulation, Soul Manipulation , Mind Manipulation, et cetera, as durability negating since no matter how big your durability is as long as the hax has range, you're ******.

Yeah the page can say whatever they want, but the scans don't show it.

And again as Akuma said, said hax allowed the Ashtangas which were only about 5-A to damaged SGGL which was 3-A (where the previous attacks inflicted zero damage). So it is a Durability Negation, saying otherwise is mental gymnastic. I don't understand why the hell this was debated since it's something super obvious.

I don't think he sent a scan of a 5-A damaging 3-As. but if they did, sure. But the justification needs to be changed, because right now its lackluster.

 

[RamadhanDayYet]

....yeah probability manip and stat reduction. that's not dura neg tho

i'll not replying anymore after this but...
the idea of dura negation is mostly based on

The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of its durability.

And there's a lot of type of durability negation such like :

• Space-Time Manipulation - Characters who have the ability to manipulate space and time, can easily bypass physical durability of objects. Conventional durability does not matter, because the matter is secondary in relation to space and time.
• Reality Warping - Characters who can manipulate reality can ignore any target's durability, if the scale of the does not exceed the degree of reality warping of the user.
  
  the point is anti spiral manipulate the probability fluctuaction to make their winning percentage zero, so even if anti spiral didn't have enough AP to damage them, his percentage of winning is still 100% regardless of their durability because he can bypass that using this ability.

 

[Confluctor]

here we go again...

 

[RamadhanDayYet]

here we go again...

nah i'm not replying anymore you can do whatever you want,you can close this thread and add better justification.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

So, they broke themselves from a universal energy system. That is good and all, but that's energy manip. I read the scans and it doesn't really indicate power null. Breaking yourself from a universal energy system is not the same as power null tho.

Nay, The spiral power is the energy that makes living things evolve. Anti Spiral creates a mode where they "remove" the evolution of spiral power. This can also be included as Power Nullification and Energy Manipulation of course. In this case, they removed their own 'spiral energy' instead of someone else's.

I know, but I don't think it can be linked like that. We should probably find alternate wording for it.

It should be Weapon Creation then.

FTL doesn't go into P&A section...

Sure. It's okay to remove it.

So, they tried to go to Nia, but they didn't move at all because fake Nia was interfering with it. seems like spatial manip

The Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren is capable to scans every point of time-space and dimensions that are already recognized. And by it's hypermachine can grant them Dimensional Travel. Translate for that;
"Spiral Wave Detection Monitor [Mecha/Machine - Episode 23] Popular name, spiral radar. It is connected to the Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren's Spiral space transcendence machine and hyper spiral computer, and explores all dimensions and space-time. It is possible to track what has been recognized once and detect its location. It traced the ring of Nia and discovered an isolated universe between the 10 dimensional universe and 11 dimensional universe where the Anti-Spiral is hidden."

The reason why they can pass the Anti Spiral's realm because of that. But later on, we can see that somehow Anti Spiral can negate this by making Simon and crue ain't capable to reach the real Nia. So it's both spatial and dimensional travel negation.

These should be good to add to the file itself.

Okay fine.

But where is BFR? I can't see it

The BFR can be seen when Anti Spiral use Extradimensional Labyrinth. By using the Extradimensional Laybrinth, Anti Spiral will send opponents into an infinite reality that is projected as a real multiverse that exists simultaneously on a quantum scale.

That scan seems more like attack nullification via probability manip instead of dura neg.

Attack Nullification can work too I guess. Dura Negation by Probability Manip will still work since it's reducing the enemy stats to 0 so the winning chance become 0 too. Like GreatIskandar said, the 5A character capable to beat 3A gurren laggan which is why still count as Dura Negation.

Also just because the page says time-space hax can negate durability, we can't just slap it on everyone unless they have feats. So, now I am asking, do we have any scans for the anti spiral actually negating their durability - other than the stat reduction/attack nullifcation scan?

Yeah they actually have. Ashtangas which were only about 5-A to damaged SGGL which was 3-A (where the previous attacks inflicted zero damage). So it is a Durability Negation.

First two, yes, but 8... so if I am getting you right, if one dies, the other dies with it, right?

Yes. Because Anti Spiral has become a one entity with their universe including the organism.

that's not how invulnerability works. To be invulnerable to all attacks, you need to be unaffected by almost most things, not because of probability hax. they need to tank it

I don't know why you say that, in the anime and in the exact episode it shows us that every attack of Gurren Lagann become useless to Anti Spiral. And he did tank it. And we all know that Invulnerability in this case isn't an Invulnerability that Invulnerable of all attacks, it's just an Invulnerability that allow user to get unaffected to the normal attack of user.

That works. was simple

Okay.

hmmm, I will relook at this in a bit

You should. It will probably count as Mind Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, BFR, Probability Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (type 2), and Fate Manipulation too.

Yeah,

Okay.

Kinda confused about this, what is this? cosmology?

Yes. The director said that Anti Spiral's universe consist a 11D Sub Multiverse. This Sub Multiverse is Extradimensional Laybrinth.

Grav yeah, but what about radiation?

It creates a black hole in that dimension. So it will still count. Won't it? The page listed radiation variation as one of them as “Gravitational Radiation.”

I know that they transcend the whole thing, but my point is, that doesn't automatically qualify for time-space resistance. Same reason why void creatures don't get quite a few of these abilities by default. they need to show it.

Well actually the description from novel said Anti Spiral being unbounded by time and gravity. Translate for that: "When the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann throws, the Ashtanga-class fleet is destroyed. And, in front of the giant Nia, something like a small, black, irregular-shaped humanoid body floats. It's a stop unbounded by time and gravity."

It can be count as Space-Time Manipulation resistance too including gravitation manip.

Should work

OK

 

[Confluctor]

Nay, The spiral power is the energy that makes living things evolve. Anti Spiral creates a mode where they "remove" the evolution of spiral power. This can also be included as Power Nullification and Energy Manipulation of course. In this case, they removed their own 'spiral energy' instead of someone else's.

It should be Weapon Creation then.

aye

The Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren is capable to scans every point of time-space and dimensions that are already recognized. And by it's hypermachine can grant them Dimensional Travel. Translate for that;
"Spiral Wave Detection Monitor [Mecha/Machine - Episode 23] Popular name, spiral radar. It is connected to the Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren's Spiral space transcendence machine and hyper spiral computer, and explores all dimensions and space-time. It is possible to track what has been recognized once and detect its location. It traced the ring of Nia and discovered an isolated universe between the 10 dimensional universe and 11 dimensional universe where the Anti-Spiral is hidden."

The reason why they can pass the Anti Spiral's realm because of that. But later on, we can see that somehow Anti Spiral can negate this by making Simon and crue ain't capable to reach the real Nia. So it's both spatial and dimensional travel negation.

So Dimensional travel negation via spatial hax, gotcha

The BFR can be seen when Anti Spiral use Extradimensional Labyrinth. By using the Extradimensional Laybrinth, Anti Spiral will send opponents into an infinite reality that is projected as a real multiverse that exists simultaneously on a quantum scale.

seems just like portal creation to me?

Attack Nullification can work too I guess. Dura Negation by Probability Manip will still work since it's reducing the enemy stats to 0 so the winning chance become 0 too. Like GreatIskandar said, the 5A character capable to beat 3A gurren laggan which is why still count as Dura Negation.

I am still not seeing the scans for that ;/ Is it on the file?

Yes. Because Anti Spiral has become a one entity with their universe including the organism.

Not sure if that will qualify for 8, but then again 8's standards are a bit weird, so I will wait for someone else to check it out.

I don't know why you say that, in the anime and in the exact episode it shows us that every attack of Gurren Lagann become useless to Anti Spiral. And he did tank it. And we all know that Invulnerability in this case isn't an Invulnerability that Invulnerable of all attacks, it's just an Invulnerability that allow user to get unaffected to the normal attack of user.

i mean it comes down to the fact either all attacks misses him via damage reduction or his durability is just too high.

It creates a black hole in that dimension. So it will still count. Won't it? The page listed radiation variation as one of them as “Gravitational Radiation.”

could be?

Well actually the description from novel said Anti Spiral being unbounded by time and gravity. Translate for that: "When the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann throws, the Ashtanga-class fleet is destroyed. And, in front of the giant Nia, something like a small, black, irregular-shaped humanoid body floats. It's a stop unbounded by time and gravity."

It can be count as Space-Time Manipulation resistance too including gravitation manip.

I am not sure what this quote is meant to do. it doesn't prove he can tank spatial and time manip?

and about the grav part... on its own, it can mean nothing. people with normal flight abilities get statements like that in other stories. it's quite common

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Seems just like portal creation to me?

Nay, have you seen the Extradimensional Laybrinth scans? It's BFRing the target mind to materializing the Infinite Multiverse where every reality occur at the same time.

I am still not seeing the scans for that ;/ Is it on the file?

By size alone Astanghas tier is 5A because they're significantly larger than a mere planets. While the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann (SGGL) is 3A because they power is rivaling the microcosmos. Astanghas capable to harm SGGL by Probability Fluctuations which means they did neg the SGGL's durability.

Not sure if that will qualify for 8, but then again 8's standards are a bit weird, so I will wait for someone else to check it out.

Yeah. I'll take that as Immortality type 8 tho. And we should give Anti Spiral Immortality type 9 too, since Anti Spiral's real body is on Anti Spiral's universe. Which in vscharacter case the arena ain't automatically on Anti Spiral universe rather a random encounter one.

i mean it comes down to the fact either all attacks misses him via damage reduction or his durability is just too high.

It's not misses him it makes their attack become 0 to him. Which no damage at all even if he tanks it.

Could be?

It could. So we can list that.

I am not sure what this quote is meant to do. it doesn't prove he can tank spatial and time manip?

By being unbounded by time, any attacks that involve time and gravity will be useless to him. It has been proven actually in Episode 26 where SGGL attacks that reverse time and also altering the future (like an omnidirectional attack from past and future) couldn't harm Anti Spiral because he's the universe itself.

and about the grav part... on its own, it can mean nothing. people with normal flight abilities get statements like that in other stories. it's quite common

I know but it's far different than a common one.

 

[Confluctor]

Nay, have you seen the Extradimensional Laybrinth scans? It's BFRing the target mind to materializing the Infinite Multiverse where every reality occur at the same time.

I don't know personally... but sure ig...

By size alone Astanghas tier is 5A because they're significantly larger than a mere planets. While the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann (SGGL) is 3A because they power is rivaling the microcosmos. Astanghas capable to harm SGGL by Probability Fluctuations which means they did neg the SGGL's durability.

i meant scans for their fight?

It's not misses him it makes their attack become 0 to him. Which no damage at all even if he tanks it.

he also has better durability so...

By being unbounded by time, any attacks that involve time and gravity will be useless to him. It has been proven actually in Episode 26 where SGGL attacks that reverse time and also altering the future (like an omnidirectional attack from past and future) couldn't harm Anti Spiral because he's the universe itself.

if you had said that from the start, it would have been easier. link those scans to it and will simplify it

I know but it's far different than a common one.

not really ;/ but you can scale it from the others who can survive in supredensed space

 

[Confluctor]

Type 8: Anti Spiral is the universe itself. Which means, he'll still exist if you not kill him along with his universe. That's why after Simon success to kill Anti Spiral, the Anti Spiral's universe explode.

Yeah. I'll take that as Immortality type 8 tho. And we should give Anti Spiral Immortality type 9 too, since Anti Spiral's real body is on Anti Spiral's universe. Which in vscharacter case the arena ain't automatically on Anti Spiral universe rather a random encounter one.

@Eficiente @SamanPatou do you think these are enough for immortality type 8 and 9? I don't think it is personally tbh

Well actually the description from novel said Anti Spiral being unbounded by time and gravity. Translate for that: "When the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann throws, the Ashtanga-class fleet is destroyed. And, in front of the giant Nia, something like a small, black, irregular-shaped humanoid body floats. It's a stop unbounded by time and gravity."

It can be count as Space-Time Manipulation resistance too including gravitation manip.

Nay, have you seen the Extradimensional Laybrinth scans? It's BFRing the target mind to materializing the Infinite Multiverse where every reality occur at the same time.

And these two if you can. thanks

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

You're not arguing about scans now, but debating about how valid their power and abilities are.

That's why... you read my blog. Stop replying before knowing the whole context.

 

[Confluctor]

We are here to fix the files and add context to the files, not read blogs

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

But now you're arguing on regard how their hax works, not "where's the scans!". If you want to check their validity then read the blog, I made it for a reason.

Stop arguing then.

 

[Confluctor]

don't care We are getting somewhere without having to force people to read a blog to understand basic abilities. if you are not going to add anything productive, then... you know

 

[Chariot190]

If that blog has the relevant scans, just link to that specific part of the blog ig.

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Those basic abilities requires sufficient amount of contexts. I'm saying that, it'd be much easier to discuss if you aren't bother to read in order to get the whole view.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

I don't know personally... but sure ig...

Ok.

i meant scans for their fight?

Here they are with explanations to context.

He also has better durability so...

Nah no, it because his embodied the Universe itself. It count as Invulnerability. Can you tell which conventional attack that can harm a pure abstraction? There's a nay one.

if you had said that from the start, it would have been easier. link those scans to it and will simplify it

I can't record it since my memory is kinda full now. So here's the scan with the explanations. It shows that Anti Spiral ain't get damaged at all of SSGL attack which manipulates the Time-Space and Probability.

not really ;/ but you can scale it from the others who can survive in supredensed space

No you can't.

 

[Confluctor]

Here they are with explanations to context

Now this works perfectly. Can use this on the file (alongside the other scans)

Can you tell which conventional attack that can harm a pure abstraction? There's a nay one.

Spatial manip, conceptual manip, law hax, etc etc can harm it... In any case, granting every "universe abstraction" character invulnerability is stupid because they can still be harmed. You have to prove he can tank literally anything without using probability manip or his higher Durability.

No you can't.

Why not?

Because the scan itself is rather worthless

 

[Eficiente]

Type 8: Anti Spiral is the universe itself. Which means, he'll still exist if you not kill him along with his universe. That's why after Simon success to kill Anti Spiral, the Anti Spiral's universe explode

@Eficiente @SamanPatou do you think these are enough for immortality type 8 and 9? I don't think it is personally tbh

That shouldn't give type 8, the new wording the ability has should make it clear. It would be type 9 if it can be proven that killing him doesn't work to kill him. To give a dumb example, I can be the left and right sides of my body, but that doesn't mean that destroying both is needed to kill me, characters with a body and omnipresence over something are no different, you can destroy either the body or the thing they're omniprest over and they can fall dead.

 

[Confluctor]

Thanks for the evaluation

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Now this works perfectly. Can use this on the file (alongside the other scans)

OK

Spatial manip, conceptual manip, law hax, etc etc can harm it... In any case, granting every "universe abstraction" character invulnerability is stupid because they can still be harmed. You have to prove he can tank literally anything without using probability manip or his higher Durability.

Attacking with those ability are inconvetional actually. Because going by conventional meaning, it can be interpreted as a type of attack that goes tradionally like a stats of somebody's physique or a weapon power. They can still be harmed under such inconventional circumstance.

Why not?

Because the scan itself is rather worthless

What are you meaning to? You're being rude by saying the scan is worthless. You should appreciate someone effort or atleast don't say anything like worthless.

Back to context, Anti Spiral scales to Simon and STTGL for resistance to Time and Gravity Manips.

 

[Confluctor]

Attacking with those ability are inconvetional actually. Because going by conventional meaning, it can be interpreted as a type of attack that goes tradionally like a stats of somebody's physique or a weapon power. They can still be harmed under such inconventional circumstance.

Yeah, but the point is, just because it's a universe, it doesn't make it invulnerable.

What are you meaning to? You're being rude by saying the scan is worthless. You should appreciate someone effort or atleast don't say anything like worthless.

The one where they say stuff about being above gravity and whatnot.

Back to context, Anti Spiral scales to Simon and STTGL for resistance to Time and Gravity Manips.

This is literally what I said initially but you said they can't scale?

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Yeah, but the point is, just because it's a universe, it doesn't make it invulnerable.

Sure. But, going by how this wiki explains Invulnerability can be achieved by having such mechanism that prevents conventional harm from weaponry. And, we're know that AS have Probability Fluctuations to make Enemy's weaponry become 0 damage to him, so it can be count as Invulnerability.

The one where they say stuff about being above gravity and whatnot.

That still rude tho.

This is literally what I said initially but you said they can't scale?

Sorry I'm misread that. So it clears that by scaling AS resist both of said abillities? If yes, then we can conclude this.

 

[Confluctor]

Still iffy on the invulnerability stuff. But anyway, we should come back to that later.

But yeah, scaling from supre dense space should work

 

[EinelRendezvous]

That shouldn't give type 8, the new wording the ability has should make it clear. It would be type 9 if it can be proven that killing him doesn't work to kill him. To give a dumb example, I can be the left and right sides of my body, but that doesn't mean that destroying both is needed to kill me, characters with a body and omnipresence over something are no different, you can destroy either the body or the thing they're omniprest over and they can fall dead.

Okay let's delete Immo 8 and Immo 9 of Anti Spiral for now. Because my memory is full, and I can't save more scans. So I'll make CRT next when I get a chance.

Still iffy on the invulnerability stuff. But anyway, we should come back to that later.

But, having such mechanism that 'prevents conventional harm from weaponry' can be interpreted as you have some kind of special circumstance to neg enemy's attack. For this case AS has their probability fluctuations so any attack that try to attack him become 0. I don't know why you sounds iffy but that should work based on this wiki standard.

But yeah, scaling from supre dense space should work

Ok

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Thanks for your evaluation.

I will tag @BluudyManikin777 since he is often present in this verse. I am hoping he has scans or else some of them needs to get yeeted off

I'm already on 2 ttgl revisions so til that's done im not touching on this one, yall got it

Finished all volumes of the novelization so...

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

This is kinda rude

Ok Velox.

 

[Qawsedf234]

And, we're know that AS have Probability Fluctuations to make Enemy's weaponry become 0 damage to him, so it can be count as Invulnerability

That would be probability manipulation, not invulnerability. It wouldn't prevent the Living Tribunal from flexing him away for example.

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

Because the scan itself is rather worthless

Wow, that's was a Rude one coming from a MODERATOR

 

[PrinceofPein]

Wow, that's was a Rude one coming from a MODERATOR

It’s not rude it’s facts the scan by itself is worthless

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

it’s facts.

I know, but shouldn't we say something like that? I mean use another word

I just learn from a past mistake where i do the same thing on OPM thread and get warned

 

[Qawsedf234]

I know, but shouldn't we say something like that?

He said the scan was worthless, not the person.

The reason you've been warned before is because you've insulted the person themselves.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I know, but shouldn't we say something like that? I mean use another word

I just learn from a past mistake where i do the same thing on OPM thread and get warned

I’m sure your case was entirely a different thing but well it’s okay

 

[Confluctor]

Wow, that's was a Rude one coming from a MODERATOR

You guys have brought my position multiple times into this thread, I think you guys are trying to insult me, but honestly I couldn't give a flying ****.

Anyway, how is this rude? All I said the scan is worthless because it cannot be used for any ability or even as supporting evidence. How is any of this rude? Genuinely, have you ever been in a debate before? You can't just drop whatever and I will go "yes, yes. Scan good. Scans good. No problem."