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Touhou's UES + More Hax

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FujiwaraYesMokou said:
And nothing was ever said about it being a possibly rating, or limited in any capacity. You are intentionally misrepresenting the position of a staff member and I'm breaking my no response rule to tell you to cut it the **** out. I don't agree with Promestein 100% of the time either but I don't stoop this low over it.
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I am simply responding to Prom and asking for a clarification of what edits to apply. There is absolutely no need for this level of spiteful aggression.
 
Fujiwara, you need to calm down. The resolution discussed earlier was passed under the basis that you two wouldn't be tearing at each other's throats. Malom appears to have genuinely misunderstood Prom, which should be avoided if possible in the future, but we've all been there. Keep it cool, lads.
 
Alright, fine.

I will admit I was letting my past experiences determine my reaction here rather than the context in the present.
 
My thoughts are that, while the Physical Layer's phenomena are extremely broad and the explanation does not specify anything, the Mental Layer's a bit more specific in ways that make it harder to throw it out entirely as just being specific bits of a broad, overarching phenomena. I'm fine with it, in this case, being listed as a possibility.
 
Promestein said:
My thoughts are that, while the Physical Layer's phenomena are extremely broad and the explanation does not specify anything, the Mental Layer's a bit more specific in ways that make it harder to throw it out entirely as just being specific bits of a broad, overarching phenomena. I'm fine with it, in this case, being listed as a possibility.
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But isn't the "mental" (more accurately, psycho-spiritual) layer technically just as broad, given how things like minds, emotions, thoughts, "temperaments", magic/sorcery, qi/ki/chi, spirits, phantoms, desires, souls (I assume), ghosts (I also assume), prayer (maybe), god-defining religious belief (one can reasonably assume), and whatever else "mental" and/or "spritual" is connected to the psycho-spiritual layer in one way or another?
 
You're trying to separate things that are interconnected in-universe. Temperaments are phantoms, which are also souls, except temperaments are also emotions (and I don't know why you think desires are so much different from emotions), magic and sorcery are basically the same thing, I could go on.

Basically everything you listed can be equalized to another thing on that list. In fact, most of them are just synonyms for one another. It's really not as broad as you're making it out to be.
 
FujiwaraYesMokou said:
You're trying to separate things that are interconnected in-universe. Temperaments are phantoms, which are also souls, except temperaments are also emotions (and I don't know why you think desires are so much different from emotions), magic and sorcery are basically the same thing, I could go on.

Basically everything you listed can be equalized to another thing on that list. In fact, most of them are just synonyms for one another. It's really not as broad as you're making it out to be.
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"Interconnected" does not mean "basically the same thing", however. Phantoms are clearly different in how they operate from regular magicians. Desires, especially the way Toyosatomimi no Miko uses them, are clearly distinct from emotions as such. These things are encompassed by the psycho-spiritual layer, but like gravity and the laws of physics, the psycho-spiritual layer doesn't make any of them the same in themselves. Trying to force some sort of "essential unity" between concepts that are clearly more differentiated in-verse only leads to equivocation-laden arguments, on the level of "this guy should be given heat manipulation because he can control the element of fire, which is just heat".
 
Idk, I've made my case for the equalization of these things several times throughout this thread. There's not much of a point in repeating it. We've reached an agreement, so at this point I'm just waiting for permission to apply the edits.
 
FujiwaraYesMokou said:
Idk, I've made my case for the equalization of these things several times throughout this thread. There's not much of a point in repeating it. We've reached an agreement, so at this point I'm just waiting for permission to apply the edits.
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What edits? Beyond the magic + stat amping + ESP thing (which I honestly don't even care about anymore), Promestein didn't said anything too specific about the mind-layer stuff, and what she did say, with her being fine with it being listed "as a possibility", seems to tie into my initial "possibly (limited) mind and soul manipulation" understanding of her judgments on the issue.

Which reminds me to ask: @Promestein is this "limited"/"non-combat applicable" mind and soul manipulation we're talking about here, or is this full-on mind and soul manipulation we're dealing with?
 
I'd prefer limited personally, we don't really know any specifics
 
That doesn't really seem like an appropriate use of 'limited' if I'm being honest. Not knowing the specific applications of an ability isn't really enough to say it's limited; we don't give Remilia limited fate manipulation, for example.

I think the vagueness of it is already covered by the 'possibly' rating.
 
Remilia's different but point taken.
 
We're going with a possibly rating, no 'limited'.

I can start working on the edits, after which this thread can probably be closed and then I immediately post another Touhou CRT because my work is never done
 
FujiwaraYesMokou said:
We're going with a possibly rating, no 'limited'.

I can start working on the edits, after which this thread can probably be closed and then I immediately post another Touhou CRT because my work is never done
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You can start the edits after Promestein answers what I just asked her.
 
She literally already did when I asked her.
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I also don't recall you being the one who calls the shots around here. I don't need permission from you.
 
FujiwaraYesMokou said:
She literally already did when I asked her.
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I also don't recall you being the one who calls the shots around here. I don't need permission from you.
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I'm only telling you not to jump the gun and make edits that will have to be re-edited later. I'm just asking Prom for clarifications again. Calm down.
 
I was mostly kidding, I do have another CRT ready to go but I'll probably hold off on it until mid-December.

I wanna spend time working on other verses for a bit :v
 
Mostly various minor abilities and hax, but we have 2 new infinite speed feats that could solidify the rating. Nothing too exciting but some stuff will definitely be controversial :v
 
In that case I'll get started on the edits.

The day I no longer have to do verse-wide edits can't come soon enough :v
 
Be sure to keep categories alphabetical.
 
The way the categories are now are a bit messy so I'll do what I can to fix them.

Some categories don't even belong at all tbh (why the hell is Marisa in the teenagers category when she should be in her 20s)
 
I wanna say that Rinnosuke should be the exception to the haxes, I mean, the guy doesn't sound like he knows about the Mental Layer, where the True Forms of Youkais supposed to reside in.

That's all.
 
Yeah I would prefer Rinnosuke remain the exception but tbh I don't see Promestein changing her stance anytime soon :v

I guess in any case we can just wait for her?
 
Go ahead and make him an exception, it's fine
 
Just to clarify, this means removing the 'possibly' from all youkai profiles and simply leaving Rinnosuke's profile untouched, correct? Because I assume that's what Onsokuno meant considering this is what we did for the brief period that physics/gravity manipulation was accepted.
 
Do not remove the possibly just don't give anything to Rinnosuke
 
wait but you said that rinnosuke should be the exception why does prom have to explain something that you suggested
 
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