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Top Five Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier 8: New Forum, same rules
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depends can he beat honjou at least. The rakudai guys hax passive fate/causality hax
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With numbers not mattering as much, Alan may have a chance against Masayuki, since his whole haxing entire stadiums of people. or haxing the Kingdom doesn't mean as much now.
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Hei is a pretty good candidate for 9-A considering his arsenal.
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noth needs to be removed from 7-B and also I just noticed murem is in 7-B, so
to be more serious everyone up to 3rd place bar the noth get passively nen crushed, and the north should be removed anyways
Also, hei doesn't get past snatcher and thought based death hax from what I see on his profile
to be more serious everyone up to 3rd place bar the noth get passively nen crushed, and the north should be removed anyways
Also, hei doesn't get past snatcher and thought based death hax from what I see on his profile
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Snatcher doesn't death hax immediately in-character. It's a mid-late game move at apsolute least.
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Perhaps you meant another character? As for 9-A Hei has matter Manipulation on a Quantum level, can slow down Quantum level Deconstruction, can negate regeneration due to frying all electrons in the body, can restart his own heart with his electricity, sense invisible stuff, and his tactical unpredictability is god tier due to working for several organizations such as PANDORA and fought in massive wars full of Superhuman's. Hei's electricity can also deconstruct matter on a quantum level and transmute any substance on a quantum level.
Not many character's are capable of resisting that level of matter Manipulation, and his abilities get Boosted to a much greater degree (including hax.) to the point where he went from a 9-A to a 6-B, amplifying his strength and Abilities to thousands of time than what they were before. The guy has also made a counter to just about every contractor hax in the verse so there's also that.
Overall I feel like he's one of the strongest 3-D 9-A's on the site.
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seems like he gets to helper but depending on if his hax needs to travel if not then he gets blasted by arpeggio and their space hax, and for hellper I have no idea what they do, also I am submitting the radiance for 9-B given them having above baseline madness type 3 and mind hax + being ae 1 on dreams thoughts and memories
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His hax needs to travel but due to being electricity he can make contact without really having to touch you himself, Harvest was also deleted sections of space with his matter Manipulation although Hei was avoiding it.
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ah then I don't really think he has a way around the passive space manip force field, then that means that it is likely a match of endurance, also I just remembered that Isaac is in 9-A who I am decently sure just stomps his way up to 3rd place due to 11/12 (possibly more due to the luck-based reszes) rezes + passives and space bar items
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How does the space Manipulation work? Hei reflected Harvest's Matter erasure which was deleting sections of space without actually touching Harvest at all, so he could possibly reflect the space hax back at them depending on the mechanics.
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Ah if they're torpedoes then he should be able to disable the components inside it which cause it to explode. Hei's electricity deconstructs matter both externally and internally, basically he'd stop them from firing via altering the component's that make it fire such as gunpowder.
Hei is also resistant to quantum level matter Manipulation.
Hei is also resistant to quantum level matter Manipulation.
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I suggest exchanging the Dawn Machine to Judgements as a whole. The Dawn Machine is actually considered something of a failure as a Judgement.
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Wasn't Hei's matter decomposition so limited that he struggled with just one bullet and has never really demonstrated deconstructing anything larger without being boosted?
IIRC he could never just disintegrate a hail of projectiles or anything of the sort.
IIRC he could never just disintegrate a hail of projectiles or anything of the sort.
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I always thought the struggling was attributed from him facing an opponent that much like him could predict his opponents movements, and beat him severely, Hei was getting whaled on previously so my assumption was that he was weakened at the time.
iirc at this point this is something new that he tried since he didn't think he could do it before.
Ofc not, did my comments above make it seem otherwise? If so my bad, i more meant along the lines of using it deconstruct one at a time and such or using his electricity at a distance to trigger the missiles.
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Has he ever demonstrated doing it more casually, though? IIRC it's an ability he almost never uses and that probably has a reason.
To deconstruct a torpedo he probably would need to deconstruct something much larger than a single bullet, though. At least, if he doesn't know its precise layout.
Tbh, I can't see Hei in 9-A. Even if he got in he would immediately be defeated by the likes of Bunny or... honestly, a lot of other characters. He just doesn't have a lot of resistances or regeneration and in turn can't instantly take down many people.
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Hei is never put in the same circumstances to use it again in the manga, but he did something similar to Harvest by reversing his matter Manipulation back at him, in turn deconstructing his body. I think it depends on circumstances of the situation where Hei would use it.
Hei wasn't deconstructing the bullet but rather the gunpowder in the gun itself which is what stopped it from functioning, it's not affecting the bullet itself but rather the source that makes the bullet fire.
I disagree with him losing to that Bunny gal, her stuff seems pretty bare bones and Hei can fry her with his electricity. While he doesn't have a lot of resistances or regeneration he has god tier tactical ability along with extremely versatile electricity Manipulation. Define instantly?
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Yes, but the point still stands that to stop a torpedo he would either need to know where in that torpedo is a critical part to deconstruct nor would be able to just deconstruct all components.
Bunny would just revive from getting grilled, as time reverses if she dies to a point before the battle started. At that is if he ever comes that far, which is unlikely, as Bunny would simply stop time and cut Hei's head off.
And, as said, she's not the only one. Other examples are Ezekiel (who has passive paralysis, death on touch, regeneration, intangibility, invisibility in sight & sound etc.), the Zargorot (also a ghost) or Saphira (Mind hax on thought).
With instantly I mean thought based or generally faster than his opponent can make a move.
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I'd agree with you however Hei wouldn't need to deconstruct the entire thing, he'd only need to deconstruct the key component to stop it from exploding, or alternatively he could just cause them to blow up away from him with his electricity then get to a safe distance. My main point being this isn't something that Hei would have issues with unless he's dealing with dozens and from what I'm gathering she only shoots one at a time.
Ah okay that's fair, does the amount of Destruction mean anything? As in does she reverses time with something metaphysical such as her mind, soul or some other means?
How likely is she to do that? If it's from the start then yeah Hei would have no counter.
Hei can already sense invisibility but aside from that there's nothing he can do but he can negate regeneration to some extent by frying all the electrons and such in the body.
Yeah that's fair.
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She revives after death via time reversal, so physical damage shouldn't matter. Soul hax could maybe take her out.
Time Shenanigans are her bread and butter. It's either that, time reversal or significant time slow.
Assuming an intangible ghost body has electrons. Not that it would really make a difference.
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Would this also apply to Matter Erasure like let's say The Hand from Jojo? I think that typically depends on how the time Manipulation works.
Fair, honestly sounds like Amber but used for combative purposes.
I didn't assume a ghost has electrons, that's just a general statement, not me saying saying it would work on something that obviously doesn't contain traditional matter.
Point taken however, Hei's a pretty strong 9-A but now I also disagree with him being top 5.
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Time reversal really doesn't care how you got destroyed. The only important thing is that the ability gets activated. Since it would do that after physical death, something like The Hand wouldn't stop it. But as said, soul hax might.
Yeah and with less anti-aging.
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Maybe in first/second place via his Mental World counterpart.
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Nah, Raz doesn't even stand a chance against fourth place The Sorrow a ghost who kills on contact and can banish to the Other Side.
They stand no chance against second place that can summon beings who are embodiments and can weild the very Laws and Concepts of nature, while protected by a barrier said same beings can't hope to break, and number one is Medaka Box with hax such as a guy who automatically erases Cause and Effect to revive from death and can erase the very concept of colour from the world.
They stand no chance against second place that can summon beings who are embodiments and can weild the very Laws and Concepts of nature, while protected by a barrier said same beings can't hope to break, and number one is Medaka Box with hax such as a guy who automatically erases Cause and Effect to revive from death and can erase the very concept of colour from the world.
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How does anyone in 9-A stand against people with mind max, Transmutation, corruption, soul hax, forced Power Bestowal, Fate hax along with the 6 and type 8 immortality fair? The absolute God tier of Darker Than Black (The Black Flower Contractor.) has all of these abilities but unfortunately she doesn't have a profile at this moment in time.
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That Haruna is still there speaks volumes of how barren 9A seems to be...
Arpeggio Shipgirls are passivly surrounded by a at least town level Space Bubble that blocks out outside energy and forces. If Heis electricity can travel through that he fries them, if not hes getting space deleted if he dosnt resist that.
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I mean, Sorrow can't kill Raz in Mental World, and BFR for Raz in Mental World is countered by Smelling Salts.
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Town level in terms of AoE? With his electricity he slows down the matter destruction on an atomic level to a quantum level.
Hei was also killing a bunch of Contractors who deconstruct matter matter during the events of Heaven's War and PANDORA via skill alone before even getting his Contractor power's, killing armies of Contractors despite not having any hax himself at this point in time via skill alone.
Overall I think the Black Flower Contractor is better as she / they has much more hax than Hei.
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Raz in the Mental World won't be able to reach The Sorrow, on account of his ghostly nature, and as for the Smelling Salts; that type of Dimensional Travel only works based on the mechanics of the Mental World and won't help him escape where The Sorrow BFRs Raz to. Otherwise The Sorrow would be able to use hisnown Dimensioanl travel to access the Mental World.
Janus probably makes it to third.
Janus probably makes it to third.
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No, in durability, meaning that she is constantly surrounded by a Small town (correction) level forcefield, that prevents everything down to energies from reaching Haruna. So even if Haruna cant kill Hei, if he cant bypass that, hes going to get outlived as sustenance if of no concern for Haruna, setting aside that Hei will succomb in a long drawn out fight even if he outskills her like Ikki does a infant. Hunger and tiredness will take a toll on him, things that Haruna has no need of. She can by the way encapsulate Hei in her Space Bubble via a thought, so she probably dosnt even need to mind his skill.
That is, assuming Hei can't bypass her Barrier. You're THE GIN, you will find a way~
That is, assuming Hei can't bypass her Barrier. You're THE GIN, you will find a way~
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The problem is when Mental World Raz is used, Mental World's mechanics are automatically aplicable, cause Raz's Mental World key is well, made specifically as Raz inside of Mental World.
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I meant that the Smelling Salts will only allow him to escape the Mental World, how the Smelling Salts works prevents it from being used to escape any other type of alternate dimension. Even if its Mental World Raz, as soon as he's taken outside the Mental World the abilities associated with the Mental World do not work, including escape through Smelling Salts.
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