correct me if im wrong but can genjutsu work if theres something obstructing Itachi’s eyes?
Well I was suggesting Sakanashi for the high 7-A spot Itachi has in a non smurf thread and someone argued with me and someone said to make a match so i did. Its really stompish though, the low godly gets negged from bfr and getting near a Kegare or being hit by punches would corrode Itachi. The genjutsu is almost irrelevant especially for Edo key.
Susanoo gets ignored via the puppets bfring parts of it, it'll be a waste for him to actually even use his susanoo.
How will he dodge numerous amounts of puppets all being summoned onto him and around him? And any fire gets bfred as well.
Sakanashi doesn't need to hit him, his passive yin aura would K.O him eventually
Substitution Jutsu and being able to Analytical predict their moves says no to this. Itachi will see them get close and simply substitute away. Clone spam is so common in Naruto and he's dealt with it before.
Itachi has layered mind hax with non sharingan based genjutsu so even if this is true he still has wincons.
Won't get it off before Itachi points at him and wins.
This does something to Low Godly why?
Don't see why that's true.
It's all he really needs to win tho.
Is unchained a transformation or a key he has active from the start? Also are there any activation requirements for the null and how would it interact with chakra.
It buys him more time since they need to bypass the susanoo to reach him to BFR, allowing him to merely genjutsu the puppets before they touch him or just substitute away. He also has Shunshin amps to simply outspeed them.
Speed amps, substitution, precoging their movements, etc. Clone spam is incredibly common in Naruto and Itachi is more then equipped to fight sever puppets/clones barraging him and can evade them with ease. He can also use exploding clones to damage them or maybe just mindhax them outright depending on their physiology before they contact him.
Can you go in depth on this. This eventually is huge since Itachi only needs to point to win and K.O is a bit weird since Inf stamina granted by Edo negs sleep inducement/KO inherently.
How is he gonna predict something spawning on his head?
His body in Unchained itself nulls yin and yang energies.
No they will spawn within the susanoo and around it, so its pointless, the puppets also aren't shown to be alive or even have brains to do so that's unknown.
Again the puppets will spawn onto Itachi and around him so everything you're saying gets countered by simply spawning on his head.
Edo's have to regain their chakra as shown by the Kages so at some point he will end up losing his chakra and won't be able to perform certain jutsus.
He literally cannot do that, also Itachi in edo key normally does not do mind manip so I don't see why its relevant here at all but if you can find something to supports edo itachi doing so then ok.
This is a massive cope to say the very least. If you're just unwilling to debate say that.
No argument for that.
Please do not argue this at all lmao. Itachi had two fights as an edo, one where for the majority of it he was not in control of his actions and another with an immunity to his genjutsu. Itachi is the same person who spams genjustu without being controlled.
Omg, I keep repeating myself, The puppets block Itachi from even being able to genjutsu him, he can't see his opponent he can't genjutsu them.
Thats not the bfr lmao, the bfr are the puppets the big balls.
Entire argument is irrelevant anyway, puppets block Itachi's vision as I've said several times without you refuting.
And Im not unwilling to debate, the debate is just very one sided for Sakanashi here. It's like you're ignoring the scans I put on the page when they are very blatant abilities that Itachi cannot deal with such as getting his neck twisted around
Sharingan works by reading muscle movements among others. He's not predicting something that spawns right on him.
Thought based BFR vs pointing, i don't need to say which is faster.
The yin aura will incap him. The low-godly isn't active healing, it's just when they get destroyed. Not to mention getting corroded enough and even low tier kegare will possess him.
It's a transformation. Once active, any attempt to exorcise him using yin or yang aura gets nulled.
Their puppets in the sense that sakanashi creates and controls them, not something with a mind of it's own for itachi to genjutsu. Substitution might work but i don't see how he's amping away from something that spawns on him, void manipulates him to nothing. Again they spawn on him. Susano'o defense is meaningless.
Passive corrosion inducement, curse manipulation, density manipulation, possession
In one of the scans, there's literally him grinding someone's arm without any puppets being shown and the spatial manip is done through the puppets.
not passive possession lmao but he can possession
Wasn't the yin aura from suzu's song literally spawning kegare on high level exorcists or is that limited to suzu alone? Enough corrosion and he gets possessed either way
I classified it as transmutation, yin energy doesnt possess, the Kegare themselves do.
This honestly. Itachi can be argued similarly as being like 1 in his generation but still Arima is far more impressive from statements and feats overall.
Yeah, i see no way itachi is winning this. Sakanshi could still just break the barrier between reality and magano(probably out of character), which will speed up the corrosion on itachi + he still has "unchained"
He just blitzes away from them with Shunshin or Substitution and just genjutsus so surrounding him won't work. You didn't counter that. Also this strategy assumes he's gonna do everything to prevent his opponent looking at him for for no reason at all.
This isn't what I was even trying to get at with Susanoo. You're not understanding my argument.
He's totally gonna do this against multiple blitz worthy amps and to specifically counter abilities he knows nothing about /s
Okay... only BFR listed on the page btw
He get's blitzed by shunshin before he can do any of this. I also don't see why he can do all of this before Itachi simply looks at him and SBA means they are staring at each other from the start.
They all get blitzed by shunshin and then Itachi genjutsus. This is what I've been arguing to no counter. Don't get pissy about me not refuting you when you don't even understand my arguments.
I meant the puppets that are spawned around him. They'll never get close due to Itachi being able to amp to blitz at FTE with shunshin or substitution.
Thought based puppets that have not been shown to be IC to spawn on contact with someone vs thought based blitz amps and sight based mindhax given SBA means they start in view of each other... also amaterasu spam which works for the same reason as the genjustusu.
What the hell is "not active healing" even supposed to mean. Edo tensei have been shown regenerating from non complete destruction. Corrosion isn't doing squat to Low Godly and Imma need a reason corrosion or possession is gonna work with shunshin blitzing or Itachi's own thought based hax.
Cool. Itachi blitzes and genjutsu's or amaterasu dura negs before then
Okie dokie. He just amaterasu spams them and again just blitzes them with Shunshin
You haven't given any justification for
They'd still need to bypass the susanno to reach him if he summons it behind him like in the scan. This gives Itachi more time to simply dodge or amaterasu them.
Coolio.... what do the curses do. Corrosion and density (depending on how it works) are useless due to low godly, possession is countered by blitzing. Itachi wins before these even get off anyhow.
This isn't what i'm arguing about. Good luck spatial maniping someone who can blitz you faster than you can see due to amps and can regen all the effects of it quickly. Itachi can genjutsu just as fast.
I don't care to debate skill at all. All that I was arguing is that it shows he doesn't spawn it on someones body like you claimed, but rater behind them in a way they can dodge and again, these puppets aren't touching someone who can blitz them with amps, substitute away from them touching him, precog their moves and one shot them through fire dura neg.
Itachi blitzing with shunshin is OoC for one, again the puppets are spawned on him and anything they touch gets void maniped to nothing.I meant the puppets that are spawned around him. They'll never get close due to Itachi being able to amp to blitz at FTE with shunshin or substitution.
Also no one has ever justified why he would ever do this at all, much less before Itachi simply genjustus via looking at him via SBA (Which would be thought based) or blitzes with shunshin
I already explained previously that they spwan on the opponent in character. You see sakanashi twist someone's arm with spatial manipulation, the spatial manipulation is only done through the puppets, the fact no puppets were shown is evidence the thing spawned on him.
It means the low-godly isn't negating the corrosion either by healing or purifying. It just reconstructs their bodies when destroyed so he still gets incapped by the yin aura.
No it's meaningless cause it doesn't stop them from spawning inside it.
Once again it spawns on the target as seen where he twists arata's arm, density manip erases all chances of a blitz, the regen doesn't actively counter adverse effects, it's only when they're destroyed.
I'm not debating skill, I'm saying arima who is that skilled avoiding it doesn't mean it doesn't spawn on them. How did sakanashi twist the other guy's arm then? Amps are useless cause of density, sakanashi still has layered stat amps, power null through unchained which is in character for him to use against those relative to him.
Well Sakanashi can spawn the puppets then control space however he wants it seems. which regardless would still allow him to spatial manip
Can you show me how these abilities look?
Which is my point. There ate no puppets in that panel + he needs the puppets to spatial manip= he sapwns it on them
Oh yeah, though it seems the puppets allowed him to twist Arata's arm since we see
