Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier 36

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Passive 2-A powernull and law manip

Interesting, however Rimuru is still capable of fighting whilst power nulled, and has abilities based on his own skill and fighting prowess. Is the Law Manipulation nullification based too?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I nominate SCP-4606 for 6-C

Also, what does this guy have that Rimuru doesn’t passive murder him?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Interesting, however Rimuru is still capable of fighting whilst power nulled, and has abilities based on his own skill and fighting prowess. Is the Law Manipulation nullification based too?

The null comes from the law

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

The null comes from the law

Ah, okay, okay. Alright, I’ll make a rematch, I think Rimuru can take him.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Here.

 

[Revaret]

I'm pretty sure said Passive 2-A Power Null also prevents the SCP from beating him as well.

SCP-4606 can completely null the adaptation of SCP-682. Adaptation of SCP-682 can be adapted to 2-A and Low 1-C hax. It comes down to whose null is stronger I don't think you can have a better feat than nullifying SCP-682

 

[Warren_Valion]

I am pretty sure every character in the verse has 2-A Null, and the strongest characters that have a null >>> than just basic 2-A null.

So with the levels of Power null, it can probably outdo SCP-4606's level of null.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But has it negated anything but regeneration though? Because stopping someone from becoming immune to your stuff is very different from stopping hax directed at you.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I am pretty sure every character in the verse has 2-A Null, and the strongest characters that have a null >>> than just basic 2-A null.

So with the levels of Power null, it can probably outdo SCP-4606's level of null.

There isn't a hierarchy like that from what I understand, they all have the same exact powernull. A higher ranked magician nulls a lower level magicians due to a law of the world they are made up of.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I think there is, but I wouldn't know.


You would have to talk with the Light Novel God.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I think there is, but I wouldn't know.


You would have to talk with the Light Novel God.

I mean, that's what the quote says. That there is a natural law that makes lower levels unable to use magic in the same battlefield as higher levels.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Who is the Light Novel God though?

Basically every magician in verse abide by Rank Disparity Extinction, a universal law that applies to magical phenomenon, when facing a higher rank magician, all the magic of the lower one will become extinct.

Eanru and Suimei are called higher order or something like that, basically for Suimei when he activates his magicka furnace, he becomes a different sort of existence, that gets past the resistance.

Rank Disparity Extinction is basically present in 2 separate infinite multiples and shuts down abilities proven to be 2-A.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Who is the Light Novel God though?

Who else?

You.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yeah, so it isn't that every character is a layer of 2-A powernull.

Question is though, what decides who is the higher level mage? I can think of characters who are stated to be higher levels of existence, while also being more powerful and versatile than he is. Would they be aided by the law then?

 

[Overlord775]

unless their abilities are concepual 2-A it doesn't matter

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

unless their abilities are concepual 2-A it doesn't matter

Nothing that was said by Celestial, specially in the Rimuru thread, really says that though.

Anyone superior to him in magic, magic being laws and reality warping and that kind of things, would be able to reverse the law on him.

And it's been said that his powernull is 2-A. What other ability does he have that uses 2-A things? Regardless I know a character that will beat him in laws regard once she get updated, but that's for another time.

 

[Overlord775]

verse equalazation doesn't make characters gain abilities, so no, Rimuru wouldn't be able to manipulate those laws

 

[00potato]

Ok, so that seems kinda strange in-context, it is described as being based on how much mystery and power you have, why would they need to be specifically 2-A to resist. If you are well, stronger/more steeped in mystery, you should be resistant.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

verse equalazation doesn't mke characters gain abilities, so no, Rimuru wouldn't be able to manipulated those laws

He doesn't need to manipulate the The law isn't "I powernull the enemy", it is "I powernull the lesser magician."

Even celestial said so on the thread.

 

[Overlord775]

@00potato

because verse equalazation doesn't work like that, differet "Mysteries" grant different abilties that the other side wouldn't have

@Ricsi-viragosi


ANNNND Rimuru can't affect 2-A laws, so he's the weaker magician by default

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Even lesser magicians have the null, everyone does, and said null, negates abilities like dark magic which can bring concepts from a 2-A realm into reality and contest with abilities meant to protect 2-A beings.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Just, FYI, I’m not arguing Rimuru getting past 2-A power null, just in case anyone thinks that’s going on in the thread.

I still think he can beat him without any of his hax.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Concepts and laws in mahou are blatantly 2-A, when even the weakest magician is connected to that, verse equalization doesn't work if the other characters don't do something similar.

 

[TheGatememer]

nvm

 

[Overlord775]

2-A Envirometal Destruction is not usefull at all, also like

3. SCP-682

Hel can't do anything that can put him down

4. The Player (The Magic Circle)

Hel can't interact with Non-existant entities

5. The Doctor

11-D probability manipulation says no

 

[TheGatememer]

Okey

 

[00potato]

They are connected to that but it doesn’t prove that they all have tier 2 power and such, you can be connected to stuff without directly scaling to it (at this point just make the magic itself 2-A.)

@00potato

because verse equalazation doesn't work like that, differet "Mysteries" grant different abilties that the other side wouldn't have

It kinda does. If an ability has stipulations you can’t just ignore it when it suits you. It isn’t granting any abilities, it is applying the rules an ability is confirmed to have.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I mean, you either equalize magic and assume it plays in the stipulations, or don't equalize magic and have it be power nulled.

What level if potency the magic needs is up for debate, but if anyone were to for someone reason have laws derived from a High 1-B sentient world, they would turn the ability on him.

 

[00potato]

So Warhams?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I was thinking of Chinaman, not sure if WH40K has 6-Cs with that level stuff. If they do, they should also qualify though, since Celestial said that magic regardless of its sources can qualify for the law.

 

[Overlord775]

It kinda does. If an ability has stipulations you can’t just ignore it when it suits you. It isn’t granting any abilities, it is applying the rules an ability is confirmed to have.

stipulations and weakness that doesn't work without the proper abilities of he characters of the verse

I mean, you either equalize magic and assume it plays in the stipulations, or don't equalize magic and have it be power nulled.

We has a thread about this, it was decided that even if two character's enegies are equalized the character can't use those of the oppoent's system exemple being how people who have charkra equalized to them can't use ninjutsu

 

[00potato]

What the hell do you mean “proper abilities.” It is based in power and mystery/mystical-ness, those aren’t super unique or specific concepts.

I never said that they would be able to use a new ability, but a universal law would operate both ways. This isn’t granting any abilities, this is the mechanics of Rank Disparity.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Universal laws are apart of magicians, show me where Rimuru for example, has the mystical laws of the universe as apart of his body, and thus messes up anything that goes by physical laws.

Magic/laws/concepts by their very nature are things which are transcendent of reality, you can't just equate another character to magicians who use that to research and experiment, and have resistances due to messing with things transcendent of reality.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Well, in my case... yes, Ergenverse characters are stated to fuse with heaven and earth to comprehend natural and magical laws, Devas are stated to fuse permanently with a part of heaven to govern its laws, etc.

 

[00potato]

You know verse-equalization happens for a reason, this “He would need this verse specific take on magic for the law to work.”
Even then taking power from something transcendent of reality doesn’t automatically mean it scales (if it does tier 1 psykers **** yeah.)

 

[Overlord775]

verse equalazation explicidly doesn't allow for that, if two magic systems are too different they aren't equalized

also verse equalazation is mostly for just letting people affect each other with abilities anyway

 

[00potato]

verse equalazation explicidly doesn't allow for that, if two magic stems are too diufferet they aren't equalized

also verse equalazation is for mostly just letting people affect each other with abilitied ayway

It doesn’t allow you to gain abilities, it doesn’t prevent the stipulations or weaknesses of powers to apply.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Characters from Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry for 3rd 6-C. They inconc Shion and some Digimons.

Since Nasu will apparently leave 6-C the real question is...am i enough of a madman to do Rakudai vs DnD for top 6-C?

 

[Overlord775]

nope, just as much as people not being able to resist soul crush from Bleach because of having an energy system that can be equalized with the verse's, Rimuru wouldn't be able to resist the laws because of having "Mystery"

 

[Overlord775]

Characters from Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry for 3rd 6-C. They inconc Shion and some Digimons.

Since Nasu will apparently leave 6-C the real question is...am i enough of a madman to do Rakudai vs DnD for top 6-C?

the thread about the duck is not even close to over yet

also they can't beat Rimuru or the law verse either

also also, they definitelly can't inconc Shion