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Uhm, you were getting kinda desperate there.
I never said they beat Shion, they incon shion.
Pretty sure they just passive him.
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Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier 36
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You know there should be a written rule here that unless a fight is agreed to be an absolute stomp by pretty much everyone for obvious reasons, eg. Passive or smurf hax that isn't resisted, then you Have to make a match for the lowest spot and can't skip to a higher spot to potentially exploit compatibility.
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that's a pretty big fallacy there
they can't incon a being that can make infinite bodies, each of which can deal fatal damage to them
They definitelly can't, what with Rimuru being able to information analyze to see what the desperado fate showed is false
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They very much can, he can make infinite bodies that all get passived to oblivion.
Desperado fate IS true though.....that's the whole point. If anything that IA is gonna backfire.
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nope, 4-D mind, so yeet
Nothing they have would allow them to beat Rimuru in any way, so the fate would have to show Rimuru something false, which the IA would call out and make him realize the trick
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They get fate haxed. Why do you keep bringing up the mind? It's weird.
The fate of death is true. It will kill rimuru.
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Inform Rimuru about what? Tell him that "Yoo it's NLF for Edel to kill you"?
All Raphael will do is see that the opponent is someone beyond fate, and all the visions Rimuru sees are actually Rimuru's future. You don't just info analyze NLF.
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Her capabilities are "cause someone's own image of death to happen". So Rimuru will see himself dying (the way he imagines his own death to be like). How will Raphael know that she cannot put an end to Rimuru? There's a huge difference between the capabilities that you can read from someone and the NLF that we forcefully apply.
One is an actual limit, the other is just an assumption on our side because "she hasn't shown it", so you'd need something along the lines of knowing the history of something to know what it does and doesn't do, cus it's just based on "the highest shown thing". Also desperado isn't even an ability i'd like proof Raphael can read the limitations of "being beyond fate".
But eh, whatever there are still desperados who will yeet Rimuru into next tuestday with 6D BFR.
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Because she would know how Edel's abilities work? Raphael can analyze phenomena related to fate, such as Honjou Masayuki (Lightnovel)'s Chosen One. Besides it is actual NLF, so whether Raphael points that out is irrelevant.
Rimuru has dimensional travel. Rakudai's dimensions aren't the transcendant kind, so I don't see how their being more axes of movement would prevent him from just teleporting away.
Rimuru has dimensional travel. Rakudai's dimensions aren't the transcendant kind, so I don't see how their being more axes of movement would prevent him from just teleporting away.
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Yes which means "she shows people and causes them their death". The "she has never shown killing High Godly" is what i will need proof of Raphael showing.
I'd like to see it point out that it has never worked on high godly.
It's not, cus if Raphael doesn't point that out Rimuru will be too scared to move.
Dimensional travel helps you travel between other universes, not through different spatial dimensions. And them not being higher dimensions doesn't make it any less than extremely potent Spatial Manip. She can shove Rimuru out of the 4 dimensions he lives in, into 6 new ones he cannot perceive. Without feats good luck.
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They do if they actually challenge the desperado, if they don't they're safe.
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each of the bodies is fate haxed, but she can't affect the abstrat self controlling them, so they would simply ignore the fate shows and continue fighting
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Yes.
Yes but she can't act as an abstraction, so anything she sends just gets passively yeeted. You don't need to affect the abstraction to affect the bodies. The abstraction and the avatars are different things.
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the bodies are controlled by the abstration, they are basically flesh puppets, so she would need to affect it
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also, gods can actually act as just abstractions iirc
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Not really, the bodies just drop dead from causality.
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also, i'm calling bullshit on the causality instant death thing, that's defiitellly a thing you just made up on the spot
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The....f.....
Excuse me? You do know that the visions actually materialize if you challenge the desperado right? They're not just random visions with no purpose.
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that ability is 100% not instantaneus, so it would be useless against the infinite bodies Shion can just make, so she can overwealm them via sheer numbers
also she can just outlast their stamina, thus winning.
also she can just outlast their stamina, thus winning.
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it's defiitelly not and i'm not buying it from just your words no matter what you say
they would need to actually kill the avatars to kill them, which requires stamina
also you know, existing in general consumes stamina/energy
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She litterally has all the time in the world to get to the point where she would, so it not being a normal tactic just means she will use it later than sooner
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No, cus the passives do that.
Ah, great, this again. A non reader actually telling me what is and isn't about rakudai. You love to see it.
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Show me proof of the passives instantly killing people then
you are a chronic wanker, so your words can't be trusted
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Don't really need to. I've posted that proof more times than i can count in places where it matters.
1. Literally when? Can you count on one hand the amount of times i've been debunked regarding Rakudai?
2. Yeah, but that thing got through a CRT already. Also that still does not give you the right to say "no it isn't" when you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about.
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Getting kinda hot here, isnt it?
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the it shouldn't be a problem for you to do it once more in the thrad that actually matters, aka the ranking one where you are trying to put her in ?
because otherwise you look like you are dodging the question
ment in general, as in litterally every verse that you touched
post me the CRT then
and you are a bias source, so you don't know what you spout about either
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It doesn't matter here, it matters when you get the ability accepted.
Take it however you want i don't care.
Oh, we're talking about Rakudai though, so backing up your points would be pretty helpful here. We don't want you to look like someone that just calls people names without actually having a point now do we?
You should be able to find it yourself if you put any sort of effort.
I don't know what im talking either? If i don't know what im talking about regarding rakudai, can you tell me who does?
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ok, so you are straight up willing to give ay sources for your claims, so it makes them complely null and void
[also i've tried to look for the thread and not suppringly, NOTHIN about it showed up about the instant death]
though, quoting your own words
"More proof of the death people see near desperados just being how they picture themselves dying rather than something imposed on by the Desperados"
So the fate thing doesn't work at all, since there's nothing in Touhou that can kill a god and there wouldn't be any way for them to picture it
also, from how it's described in the text, the death is illusory, it's not a actual event that happens, so saying that she can kill off that is completly ridiculius
[also i've tried to look for the thread and not suppringly, NOTHIN about it showed up about the instant death]
though, quoting your own words
"More proof of the death people see near desperados just being how they picture themselves dying rather than something imposed on by the Desperados"
So the fate thing doesn't work at all, since there's nothing in Touhou that can kill a god and there wouldn't be any way for them to picture it
also, from how it's described in the text, the death is illusory, it's not a actual event that happens, so saying that she can kill off that is completly ridiculius
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I mean you also made a claim with the "It is definitely not", would you mind backing that up?
Just try harder. It's there.
The abstraction itself maybe no, the avatars? Absolutely yes.
You sure you read all there is to read regarding this?
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- Since the result is completely decided with all that, and your fate in that case, then there is no need to go through that process anymore. Stella had stepped straight into her fate of death
- As long as you feel their fate, you will not have the chance to escape. You will keep being attracted by the gravitational pull of the《Desperados》and their fate will lead you to the end of what you also have imagined.
or you just stop bein an ass and just show YOU DAMN EVIDENCE
The abtraction is what control the bodies, they don't have a separate mind
read the image in imaginary
also
"This is just my fantasy !"
even that girl realized that
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