Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

[Wesker018]

Tier Low 1-C:
1. Characters from BlazBlue / Characters from What a Beautiful Series (Alva Avan Edison and M)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alva_Avan_Edison
Shouldn´t that guy and the others from the same verse be considered smurfs? They have BDE(Type 2) and in the bde page says that type 2 is for low 1-A characters and 1-A characters.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Beyond-Dimensional_Existence

 

[Livinmeme]

Shouldn´t that guy and the others from the same verse be considered smurfs? They have BDE(Type 2) and in the bde page says that type 2 is for low 1-a characters and 1-A characters.

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[Wesker018]

So what should be done with them?

 

[Livinmeme]

So what should be done with them?

Blazblue is even more outdated, yet it still there.

 

[Wesker018]

So why haven't they been removed?

 

[Livinmeme]

So why haven't they been removed?

 

[Deceived3596]

Aria isn't Unknown, though. He's listed as High 7-A.

He's unknown physically, which is the important part for Tiering purposes, his High 7-A is through his magic, which doesn't scale to his physicals as clearly made on the profile.

Striking Strength: Unknown physically (Not shown to be physically strong), Large Mountain level+ with Magic (Fought and damaged Base Natsu)

 

[Robo432343]

if its true you don't need CM to interact with GoH souls then martial peak wins ig

 

[Livinmeme]

if its true you don't need CM to interact with GoH souls then martial peak wins ig

Nah, Mori boy beats the living crap of chinamen obsessed with pills/darkz energy

 

[Vietthai96]

So why haven't they been removed?

What a Beautiful Series, only BDE2 is still not get updated after Ultima revision, other abilities especially Acausality Type 5 is still up to date

Blazblue is more outdated, but iirc it have recent hax layer upgrade which iirc the verse apparently have infinite x countless layers, probably one of the reason it is staying at #1 Low 1-C, tied with What a Beautiful Series cause the latter have Aca 5

 

[Robo432343]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alva_Avan_Edison
Shouldn´t that guy and the others from the same verse be considered smurfs? They have BDE(Type 2) and in the bde page says that type 2 is for low 1-A characters and 1-A characters.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Beyond-Dimensional_Existence

the thread upgrading what a beautiful characters to 1-A was rejected

 

[Robo432343]

Nah, Mori boy beats the living crap of chinamen obsessed with pills/darkz energy

tatagatha cant regenerate from layered soul destruction
this is for 4-A

 

[Livinmeme]

tatagatha cant regenerate from layered soul destruction
this is for 4-A

Robot, how the hell didn't you read the entire argument about the conceptual soul
TLDR: The soul is baked into a conceptual construct, to affect the soul, you need to affect the core, which not only is conceptual, but it is also primordial data.

 

[Robo432343]

Robot, how the hell didn't you read the entire argument about the conceptual soul
TLDR: The soul is baked into a conceptual construct, to affect the soul, you need to affect the core, which not only is conceptual, but it is also primordial data.

no bro
even normal people can interact with goh souls

The core element is not the same as the soul, it is something more abstract than the soul. You can interact with the soul but not the core element
I’m joking btw

 

[DaReaperMan]

no bro
even normal people can interact with goh souls

The core element is not the same as the soul

Cope seethe mald.

 

[Robo432343]

If the 4-A goh character can regen from his soul shouldn’t he have HGR

 

[DavidTPPM]

if its true you don't need CM to interact with GoH souls then martial peak wins ig

You need cm3, im2, and mind manip to interact with it actually

 

[DavidTPPM]

Can Golden King in Low 5-B somehow counter 7 layers of sight based mind manipulation, passive crippling fear manipulation, or Hagoromos 572958928599 types of soul manipulation? (basically asking whether he has some OP passive hax)

If not you can put characters from Naruto (mainly Sasuke, Hagoromo, and Isshiki) in the 5th spot.

 

[Robo432343]

Can Golden King in Low 5-B somehow counter 7 layers of sight based mind manipulation, passive crippling fear manipulation, or Hagoromos 572958928599 types of soul manipulation? (basically asking whether he has some OP passive hax)

If not you can put characters from Naruto (mainly Sasuke, Hagoromo, and Isshiki) in the 5th spot.

No

• Incorporeality, & Abstract Existence (Type 1 - Equations- They are substance-less,[1] transient things, made of Cracking itself[1])

 

[DaReaperMan]

No

• Incorporeality, & Abstract Existence (Type 1 - Equations- They are substance-less,[1] transient things, made of Cracking itself[1])

Daily reminder that even Warhammer can't properly interact with that.

So take a gander at how Naruto will do.

 

[Livinmeme]

Daily reminder that even Warhammer can't properly interact with that.

So take a gander at how Naruto will do.

Naruto has affected the mental well of a bunch of admins. Checkmate

 

[Robo432343]

Daily reminder that even Warhammer can't properly interact with that.

ngl they don't have to

 

[DavidTPPM]

No

• Incorporeality, & Abstract Existence (Type 1 - Equations- They are substance-less,[1] transient things, made of Cracking itself[1])

Oh right I missed the physiology page
I ******* love going through 40300 physiology pages for every character

 

[DavidTPPM]

What about QiQi? She seems to have no answers to it.
But she's also seems to have no answers to a ton of things which implies I'm missing something (otherwise Yhwach would naturally be above her)

 

[Deceived3596]

What about QiQi? She seems to have no answers to it.
But she's also seems to have no answers to a ton of things which implies I'm missing something (otherwise Yhwach would naturally be above her)

@DontTalkDT is the main supporter for the verse, so I would recommend asking him what she has in her arsenal.

As for Yhwach's placement, the reason why he's below her is because no matches have been made or argumentation given for why he should be above her.

 

[Robo432343]

almost everyone in Low 5-B gets stomped by this guy

Ozriel

Ozriel is the Eighth Judge of the Abidan Court and it's first Judge of Destruction. Formally known as Ozmanthus Arelius prior to his ascension and his founding of House Arelius, his manifestation of a new absolute aspect of reality earning him the mantle of "Ozriel, the Reaper" and he was tasked...

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EDIT: he shouldn't even be on Low 5-B because lindon is already there, he can be removed

 

[Robo432343]

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i think mujin should be above white queen

Mujin Park (GoH) vs The White Queen (Blood Sign)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mujin_Park vs https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_White_Queen_(Blood_Sign) Both 3-C SBA Speed Equal

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[DavidTPPM]

i think mujin should be above white queen

Mujin Park (GoH) vs The White Queen (Blood Sign)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mujin_Park vs https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_White_Queen_(Blood_Sign) Both 3-C SBA Speed Equal

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I mean, sure.

 

[DontTalkDT]

What about QiQi? She seems to have no answers to it.
But she's also seems to have no answers to a ton of things which implies I'm missing something (otherwise Yhwach would naturally be above her)

What is the question about Qiqi?

 

[DavidTPPM]

What is the question about Qiqi?

Can she do anything against someone like Sasuke putting her into genjutsu with a look?
Or against Ghost Hagoromo in general (since she lacks NPI and soul manip resistance)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Sailer Moon (Manga) for a spot in 2C, I am not sure how high though.

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Sailer Moon (Manga) for a spot in 2C, I am not sure how high though.

Throw her against Mori Dan and see how she does. She beats the bottom half of the list for sure

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Naruto has affected the mental well of a bunch of admins. Checkmate

Can confirm.

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Characters from Granblue Fantasy for 4th place in 1-C (primarily Lucilus). They are 7-D like Makina, Makina doesn't seem to be able to interact with NEP, the verses' layers of hax got yeeted while Granblue has 1 accepted layer, and as such Lucilius resists almost everything Makina has to throw at him.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Can she do anything against someone like Sasuke putting her into genjutsu with a look?
Or against Ghost Hagoromo in general (since she lacks NPI and soul manip resistance)

What soul manip is concerned it depends on how we interpret her physiology. She might be a robot.

However, in general the thing that puts her on the list is... ehhhh... the last time I tried to explain it it took ages for people to get it. Basically a future version of her that has done arbitrary amounts of prep and has some prior knowledge of the opponent can come and save her without her doing anything. (essentially passive)
So the question is always: Can an Extraordinary Genius find a way to work around the abilities. So for things like genjutsu she can just construct an army of (sentient or non-sentient) robots to win and send that in to fight.

 

[DavidTPPM]

What soul manip is concerned it depends on how we interpret her physiology. She might be a robot.

I mean technically robots could still have soul.

However, in general the thing that puts her on the list is... ehhhh... the last time I tried to explain it it took ages for people to get it. Basically a future version of her that has done arbitrary amounts of prep and has some prior knowledge of the opponent can come and save her without her doing anything. (essentially passive)
So the question is always: Can an Extraordinary Genius find a way to work around the abilities. So for things like genjutsu she can just construct an army of (sentient or non-sentient) robots to win and send that in to fight.

Uhh that seems really vague. Like a ton of abilities that Sauce and Hagoromo have are strongest when the opponent doesn't expect them.

But assuming she's a robot and can prepare for stuff by building other robots in the future, we could just put her against Isshiki who can shrink everything non living and BFR it to his dimension with frozen time.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I mean technically robots could still have soul.

Technically a stone could still have a soul, but we don't really assume it for things like that.

But assuming she's a robot and can prepare for stuff by building other robots in the future, we could just put her against Isshiki who can shrink everything non living and BFR it to his dimension with frozen time.

She could go and study the princess' (other character from her verse) tech that creates "biological robots" against that. (obedient genetically modified entities with reactive evolution and as strong as Qiqi)
Or she could put a satellite he doesn't know about into orbit that blows up the planet from space, making use of the lack of self-sustenance by getting rid of air.
Or she could create a bio-weapon like the one that was about to wipe out all life on that one planet once upon a time...
Isshiki also seems to lack resistance against the "time stop" device that we know Qiqi invents in the future, which doesn't actually stop time but works by temporarily freezing the movement of all atoms in the area.
And seeing how Qiqi already has spacetime tech I wouldn't be surprised is she could figure out how to counter that BFR....
A genius in a sci-fi verse has lots of possibilities even just by studying the existing tech.

 

[Deceived3596]

Amalda (Godspeed) vs Rikuo Nura - Angel vs Yokai

SBA Speed Equalized Hagoromo Gitsune equipped Rikuo is being used Additionally, this is a match for the Non Smurf list. ====================== Rikuo Nura vs Amalda ====================== Voting Nura: Amalda: Incon:

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[DavidTPPM]

Technically a stone could still have a soul, but we don't really assume it for things like that.

Uhh I mean, the way we assume things about souls in the wiki is already funny enough so idk.

She could go and study the princess' (other character from her verse) tech that creates "biological robots" against that.

That by itself doesn't necessarily counter sukonahikona. Codes claw marks specifically contain his blood but can still be shrunk.

Or she could put a satellite he doesn't know about into orbit that blows up the planet from space, making use of the lack of self-sustenance by getting rid of air.

Uhhh Isshiki is an otsutsuki who's main shtick is space travel. He has self sustenance and space survival, you probably just missed it because it's in the Otsutsuki Physiology page.

Or she could create a bio-weapon like the one that was about to wipe out all life on that one planet once upon a time...
Isshiki also seems to lack resistance against the "time stop" device that we know Qiqi invents in the future, which doesn't actually stop time but works by temporarily freezing the movement of all atoms in the area.

Couldn't he just shrink the beam itself?

And seeing how Qiqi already has spacetime tech I wouldn't be surprised is she could figure out how to counter that BFR....

The issue is more so with the time freeze stopping her from moving in it rather than BFR itself. Isshiki could also alternatively just paralyze her with rods before BFRing her to further stop any movement.

A genius in a sci-fi verse has lots of possibilities even just by studying the existing tech.

Yeah but at a certain point it starts reaching NLF levels

 

[DontTalkDT]

That by itself doesn't necessarily counter sukonahikona. Codes claw marks specifically contain his blood but can still be shrunk.

Yeah, but those are living beings, not just blood.

Uhhh Isshiki is an otsutsuki who's main shtick is space travel. He has self sustenance and space survival, you probably just missed it because it's in the Otsutsuki Physiology page.

Oh yeah. For some reason it didn't show up when I strg+f yesterday. Well, the ffirepower can still kill him regardless. Qiqi defeated her nemesis with a canon that oneshot them through a portal.

Couldn't he just shrink the beam itself?

Can he shrink light?
That aside, being aware of it in time can be a problem. The beam can be like 20 times faster than them (assuming speed equal).

The issue is more so with the time freeze stopping her from moving in it rather than BFR itself. Isshiki could also alternatively just paralyze her with rods before BFRing her to further stop any movement.

Against the rods Qiqi can simply create a device that acts on its own.
What the time stop is concerned... maybe. Although Qiqi could develope a backup device that open a portal to get her out from the outside.

Or she just does her own "time stop" before he does any of those.

Yeah but at a certain point it starts reaching NLF levels

Sure. But not with any of what I mentioned IMO. What exists in her verse, or is only a slightly different application from something that does, should be manageable for an extraordinary genius that sinks decades into prep.