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All that gets negated as soon as Kai pulls out power absorption (not to mention blitz amps)
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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
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Kai can't negate any of those abilities at all because they're not even elemental powers
he can negate invulnerability to electricity and whatnot but there is no way in hell he's negating time travel, BFR, possession etc
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Well tbf the list is like half empty rn so he's just taking empty spot until other stronger 4Cs take it from him
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+ kai will never be able to win because of the avatars
His avatar stated that every time he dies, he will be reborn, and that killing him is a waste of energy because he is infinite,
"his avatars can nullify the damage of elemental attacks such as fire, ice, air, lightning and holy"
Kai's entire main thing is fire so he is cooked
heck he cant even interact with his abstract existence and incorporeality
His avatar stated that every time he dies, he will be reborn, and that killing him is a waste of energy because he is infinite,
"his avatars can nullify the damage of elemental attacks such as fire, ice, air, lightning and holy"
Kai's entire main thing is fire so he is cooked
heck he cant even interact with his abstract existence and incorporeality
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doesn't martial peak characters just stomp goh for 4-A?
"Origin King Yang Kai and Third Order Origin Kings will have 14 Layers of Knowledge Sea Potency and Resistance."
Martial Peak Hax Potency
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Soul hax against GoH characters won't work without CM3, IM2, and mind manip so layers won't probably matter.doesn't martial peak characters just stomp goh for 4-A?
"Origin King Yang Kai and Third Order Origin Kings will have 14 Layers of Knowledge Sea Potency and Resistance."
Martial Peak Hax Potency
So I'd have to see some specific profile to really tell whether they beat 4-A GoH characters
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yuh ok
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Bai Xiaochun (Eternal World)
Bai Xiaochun Upon the destruction of the Heavenspan Realm, his home, as an aftermath of his battle with Daoist Heavenspan, Bai Xiaochun wakes up in the Eternal Lands, disheartened and lost. After months of drowning himself in drink, he is found by his father-in-law. Spending some time wallowing...
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this guy should be second place for 4-A because of 10 layers + CM1
Digital_Franz
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That's not how it works. CM3 and IM2 are for interacting with their Cores. Those without HGR can be killed without their Core being affected so yeah Soul Manipulation will work.
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Digital_Franz
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There is no need to interact with the Core to interact with the soul. Even the description of the Core says that destroying the physical body and soul would have no effect on it.
High Godly Regeneration.
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You need to interact with the core because the soul is literally inside of it.
If I destroy a toilet in my house it won't have an effect on the house itself either.
But if I want to destroy it I need to get into the houses which requires me to interact with it in the first place.
I mean, sure…? Why would characters without high godly dying without their core being affected matter exactly?
Digital_Franz
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Nah the core is more abstract than the soul. Just because it is said to contain the soul doesn't mean it has to be manipulated to reach the soul.
It's even Mid-Godly Regeneration. There's no indication that they can regenerate their souls and stuff.
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It literally does mean that. How are you going to interact with something inside the core without interacting with the core itself????
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Aria isn't Unknown, though. He's listed as High 7-A.
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It isn't 10 layers...It is more like 50 at this point.Bai Xiaochun (Eternal World)
Bai Xiaochun Upon the destruction of the Heavenspan Realm, his home, as an aftermath of his battle with Daoist Heavenspan, Bai Xiaochun wakes up in the Eternal Lands, disheartened and lost. After months of drowning himself in drink, he is found by his father-in-law. Spending some time wallowing...
this guy should be second place for 4-A because of 10 layers + CM1
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The thing is, you take contain literally. How do you expect a concept to contain the soul, which is less abstract?
Tell me if a bullet is shot into the heart of a normal human in GoH he won't die.
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Because we're talking about a fictional universe with fictional characters? Like we're visually shown the soul of a being is inside their core element, the accepted blog states they're inside, the person who made the blog says they're inside, and several character profiles say they're inside.
Never said it won't?
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Anima and I think warhammer also have conceptual souls.
Digital_Franz
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Yeah, I don't refuse conceptual souls. Except that here the soul is not conceptual.
It's inside but the soul being less abstract can be affected without the abstraction being affected. Anyway we're not going to get anywhere with this without the one who made the blog.
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That frankly doesn't make any sense. It's like if I said I'm going to punch you in the organs despite them being insides of your body.
Omfg
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And there are characters who do it.
I see the thing. Except he says it's part of the concept. Well if it's already accepted that way then whatever.
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I would delineate these two from GoH because in those the Souls are literal concepts (or constructed out of the substance of concepts) while in GoH they are "contained" within the core element (despite the fact I think that reading that as them literally being contained rather than being governed by it and thus every aspect of them having an installation of itself in it is silly, but I digress)
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In layman terms it doesn't really matter, as you need CM to interact with the GOH souls, in the same way that you need CM to interact with conceptual souls.
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i mean the body is encapsulated by ones concept but you dont need to touch the concept to interact with the body.
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Ninjago has a conceptual Soul too. Its not something impossible
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The hell are you talking about, we were talking about souls, no one says that you need any special type of hax to touch GOH bodies (except for the abstract ones, OFC).
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I'm just saying concept containing ones soul shouldn't be seen as the concept literally enclosing around the soul but instead the soul just encompassing it like a concept would the body.
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The soul in GOH is literally inside of the core, which is accepted to be a conceptual abstraction.
Digital_Franz
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It's not about a conceptual soul. I myself am working on a verse whose soul is conceptual. The problem is that the soul being contained in the personal concept does not mean that one must manipulate the concept in order to manipulate the soul. It just doesn't make sense.
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Yes it does, how the hell can you interact with something, without interacting with the "box". It would be like trying to get something out of a box, without interacting with the box itself.
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The body is within the core not in the sense that the physical being itself is in it, but more so that the genetic code and biological information itself is in it.
It only literally contains the physical body in specific cases like 7th and 6th owners in which case we literally see them contained within the core.
We can actually see something similar happen with purely spiritual beings without bodies like the Dragon King or Ogre, who have to basically emit their soul out of their core in order to interact with the world
Digital_Franz
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Like a character that touches the organs without damaging the body. However yeah I already conceded.
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The body isn't a conceptual abstraction to begin with.
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But to touch organs without interacting with the exterior body you need not only the ability to interact with the organs but to also bypass the body itself.
Like using your logic everyone who can physically interact with organs can now magically bypass durability
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It was an example. Not the best of examples.
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