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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

Eseseso said:
Ok, now that 6D Sonic finally got accepted (it still needs to be on the profiles but all that means is adding the 6D blog to the verse page and changing all the 5-D's in the character profiles to 6-D), let's talk Sonic people.

Right off the bat, he is above everyone from the #11 spot to the #15 spot, especially as he can affect beings with AE1 like Darkseid due to both the NPI of the Super Forms including an AE1 being (Illumina) and due to his Type 1 CM/Type 2 Info.

Also, people like Super Sonic (and especially Starfall Super Sonic) outhax those like Darkseid.

As for #10, this is where things get tricky.

He can't kill or even affect True Arceus due to the latter's NEP and TD, but nothing Arceus has can really harm him due to his resistances, and Sonic has kept up in speed with an omnipotent being before (Solaris) so nothing says he can't do the same with True Form Arceus.

As for Makina (whose abilities sorely lack justifications, dear lord), both seem to stone wall the other, but Sonic blitzes with Speed Unequalized.

You also have people like Solaris, who exists in past, present, and future and must be defeated in all 3 time periods simultaneously.

Thus, Characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (Main Continuity) (Sonic, Solaris, and The End) should share the #10 spot with Arceus and Makina.
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When I finish revising Oma Zi-O they're getting slammed into #11.
 
Robo432343 said:
You need proof sonic can interact with nonexistent beings in the first place
We can’t just assume sonic can interact with NEP beings like arceus when he has no feats of doing so
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That part of his existence is still in existence
also sonic is probably gonna some nep interaction soon
 
Robo432343 said:
You need proof sonic can interact with nonexistent beings in the first place
We can’t just assume sonic can interact with NEP beings like arceus when he has no feats of doing so
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1. Isn't NEP only immune from physical stuff due to incorporeality?

2. If not then Sonic can still hurt him with Info Manip since he lacks aspect 4 of NEP.

Sir_Ovens said:
When I finish revising Oma Zi-O they're getting slammed into #11.
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Noted.
 
Robo432343 said:
What does this mean

Arceus lacks aspect 4 but sonic doesn’t even have NEP interaction in the first place
Interacting with incorporeality doesn’t mean you can interact with arceus’ level of NEP

Also I’m pretty sure arceus’ NEP is greater than giratina’s
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The NEP page states that all users must be Incorporeal, which I assume is what protects them from physical blows.

The aspects are stated to just protect them from one thing, such as soul manip, mind manip, concept manip, or info manip
 
What information are you going to be affecting? The information of it's body which it doesn't have. The information of it's mind which is nonexistent. The information of its soul, also nonexistent. The information of it's concept, again nonexistent. The information of it's dimensions, it's beyond dimensions. What other essential component does Arceus have that Sonic can target the information of?

It's easy to say that it lacks information resistance and so you can affect it's information, but you've also got to explain what exactly the information is about. Information is a metaphysical property that describes something giving it shape, but if their is nothing to describe the shape of then their won't be information to affect.
 
Everything12 said:
What information are you going to be affecting? The information of it's body which it doesn't have. The information of it's mind which is nonexistent. The information of its soul, also nonexistent. The information of it's concept, again nonexistent. The information of it's dimensions, it's beyond dimensions. What other essential component does Arceus have that Sonic can target the information of?

It's easy to say that it lacks information resistance and so you can affect it's information, but you've also got to explain what exactly the information is about. Information is a metaphysical property that describes something giving it shape, but if their is nothing to describe the shape of then their won't be information to affect.
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I'm just following the listed stuff.

You need Aspect 4 of NEP to be immune to type 2 info, which Arceus does not appear to have.

Even if Sonic can't harm Arceus, Arceus can't harm him so it's incon. Thus, they share a spot.
 
Isnt Information more Fundemental then the Mind/Soul/Body, aswell as Sonic having Abstract layers, wouldnt him affecting Arceus' Information itself do something?
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
removing xenobale characters from Low 1C, their hax layers got downgraded
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Eh, they still have 6D AP, plus causality/fate hax that works on both Acausality 2 and 4 and high-godly along with high0godly negation, so I feel that they should at least be #9.

#10-11 bare minimum, Darkseid gets obliterated by Xenoblade hax-wise.
 
Eseseso said:
Eh, they still have 6D AP, plus causality/fate hax that works on both Acausality 2 and 4 and high-godly along with high0godly negation, so I feel that they should at least be #9.

#10-11 bare minimum, Darkseid gets obliterated by Xenoblade hax-wise.
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okay 11th spot for now for them
 
Pmmm should be removed from 2-A. Kosane Kiriha is already low 1-c, while Madoka Kaname (the supreme god), Homura Akemi (the demon opposed to God), Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen (the combination of all cosmic despair), Tart (beyond the concepts of hope and despair). In the grand finale, Kosane Kiriha is overwhelmed by the despair brought by her and her sister, so she is not as good as Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen and Tart
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
okay 11th spot for now for them
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Btw:
Eseseso said:
Ok, now that 6D Sonic finally got accepted (it still needs to be on the profiles but all that means is adding the 6D blog to the verse page and changing all the 5-D's in the character profiles to 6-D), let's talk Sonic people.
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Characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (Main Continuity) (Sonic, Solaris, and The End) should share a #11 spot with Xenoblade for now.

You got Solaris, who has to be killed across all of time at once to kill him.

You have Starfall Super Sonic, who has passive cyber corruption, along with a lot of other hax.

You have THE END, who has law/fate hax.

They can't defeat XB people but it goes vice versa, neither can really incap the other.
 
Once again, anima gate and dmc characters should be placed in the 5th and 6th spots in 2c, as I've already explained why.
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
anima inconed tohou characters, make a match with saber and dmc guys for 6th spot
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Yeah, so then place them(Baal and the nameless) beside touhou characters and a stomp match doesn’t need to be made, the outcome is quite obvious: he’s not resisting 7 layers of passive madness hax.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
If you can only characters that are physically in X tier, why, for example, is HIM here?
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He used to be physically in that tier, looking at his page history. No one bothered to bring it up once he was revised, it seems
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't even know if Megamen would be there since it looks like it's through a combination of attacks.
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It seems it's through a combination of amps that physically amp him, looking at his stats sections, which is perfectly fine for the list:
Setsuna_tenma said:
Characters only qualify for a tier if they are physically in that tier themselves. Tiers through amps that increases both Attack Potency and Durability also works, and the same applies to tiers via technology.
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The Creator for a spot in 2-C.

*Is 2nd on the non-smurf list.
*Has access to these and her.
*Has 2-A thought based conceptual/subject reality magic that can has various forms of NPI.
*Is composite classic FF which grants him the P&A of various characters including these guys.
*Automatically starts a fight bloodlusted with passive AD and endless duplication that'll eventually make him omnipresent.

Dark Surfer gets overwhelmed pretty handily with zero defence to CM across a 2-A range plus lacks the necessary NPI to affect The Creator completely. Neron is likely an incon due to The Creator not being able to bypass Neron's type 9 (1-B) immortality but Neron lacks to the means to permanently stop The Creator, so 8th spot can be shared?
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Dark Surfer gets overwhelmed pretty handily with zero defence to CM across a 2-A range plus lacks the necessary NPI to affect The Creator completely. Neron is likely an incon due to The Creator not being able to bypass Neron's type 9 (1-B) immortality but Neron lacks to the means to permanently stop The Creator, so 8th spot can be shared?
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As the Guy who created Neron and Dark surfer, I agree with this result

Also Neron's type 9 is Low 1-C(6-D), not 1-B
 
Livinmeme said:
Charactes from doctor slump have 5-D plot, why aren't they able to defeat castlevania characters?
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Maybe the multiple layered 4-D passives before the plot does anything?

Arale's plot doesn't seem to be offensive at first (like, passively deleting the opponent from the plot or power nulling your opponent using the plot)

I don't know, if you think she can win, then do a vs.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Maybe the multiple layered 4-D passives before the plot does anything?

Arale's plot doesn't seem to be offensive at first (like, passively deleting the opponent from the plot or power nulling your opponent using the plot)

I don't know, if you think she can win, then do a vs.
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I mean, it is owarida the moment arale realizes that her usual BS isn't working, and decides to....Become 5-D
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Don't the Epic Battle Fantasy peeps also have passive Plot and Fate at the same level as Arale?
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Yeah, but arale also has
Passive DATA MANIPULATION TYPE 2
HIgh godly regeneration
More AP
And the ability to go 5-D
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Also the furry from ergenverse has 1-A hax, but I don't know how it would interact against EBF and DS passive plot manipulation
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Don't the Epic Battle Fantasy peeps also have passive Plot and Fate at the same level as Arale?
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Arale has resistance to plot hax which from what I remember is 5-D too (I could be wrong)

At least in the profile of a hero and the devourer, I don't see resistance to plot hax.

Then Arale would resist and put her own plot hax on them.

Unless layers were accepted on them somewhere I haven't seen.

Livinmeme said:
I mean, it is owarida the moment arale realizes that her usual BS isn't working, and decides to....Become 5-D
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How will she understand anything when she is automatically hit by the various 4-D passives?
 
Livinmeme said:
Something something passive data manipulation type 2, and Plot manipulation
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And are they offensive from the start?

How to instantly EE the opponent or powernull him instantly with plot at the beginning of the fight.

Because the way passives act matters (which is why the fight between a version of her and Kratos was inconclusive months ago)
 
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