Top 10 strongest non smurfs.

[Firephoenixearl]

Ok so rules are:

Restricted to only 3D charters

Every hax or attack has to be 3D

2. Methuselah

3. Yhwach

4. The Warpriest

5. The Operator with warframes

6. Nocturne

7. Darth Nihilus

8. Jessica Sorrow

9. Misogi Kumagawa and Medaka Kurokami

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20.

 

[Dvorak1902]

Were Gold Experience Requiem's hax 3D or 4D?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

4d

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Methuselah takes the first place.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Hardly. Pretty sure yhwach can beat him.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Methuselah

Let's not wank Yhwach to oblivion here.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Iihiko and/or Kumagawa probably take a spot here.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Iihiko may take a spot in the upper echelons. i don't know about kuma he should be around 5 or so. Medaka would be above misogi though.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Jessica Sorrow may be a contender here.

EDIT: To elaborate, unless you've had extensive preparations and prior knowledge before meeting her and have managed to convince her that you might actually exist and have something she wants (like our good friend Joh did), the mere act of her looking at you will passively erase you from existence along with anything else within her line of sight.

 

[Dvorak1902]

Well, we can probably start by disregarding any character who can't beat a baseline High 3-A.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That seems pretty nice. Not the best thing around as people who can power null or resist her ee can deal with it but she seems like an on crack version of Sirzecha Lucifer.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Mercurius his 3-A key

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

she seems like an on crack version of--

A lot of Nightside characters can be described like this, actually.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Lol

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Mercurius his 3-A key

Pretty sure he's a smurf in some way.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Not really

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Oh, also, Jessica's powers allegedly function as a form of protection/defense as well. It's stated that because of her weird unbelief powers, people in the Nightside can't even touch her anymore, because she simply doesn't believe anything is real enough to do so.

I don't carry a gun, or any other kind of weapon. I've never felt the need. And weapons wouldn't do any good against Jessica Sorrow anyway. Nothing could touch her any more. Something happened to her, long ago, and she gave up her humanity to become the Unbeliever. Now she doesn't believe in anything. And because she doesn't believe with such utter certainty, all the world and everything in it are nothing to her. None of it can affect her in the least. She can go anywhere, and do anything, and she does. She can do terrible, distressing things, and she does, and nothing touches her. She has no conscience and no morality, no pity and no restraint. The material world is like paper to her, and she rips it apart as she walks through it.
	~ Agents of Light and Darkness​

...Obviously this is really easy to turn into an NLF which is part of why I don't use this character in debates, but at the very least, physical attacks and just about any three-dimensional powers in the Nightside (which is already a lot) aren't enough to stop her because of this.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ok so is the current list:

Iihiko (beat yhwhach)

Yhwach (is taking on rein >>>> meth)

Meth mind hax

Jessica

Is this right rn?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

>Yhwach is taking on Rein

w h a t

 

[Firephoenixearl]

5b rein ain't as haxed anymore. His only 1a hax is llt the rest is just legion and spear mind hax.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I am certain that never happened since Rein stomps

Also all keys of Rein are smurfs unlike Mercurius who should be number one thanks

 

[HammerStrikes219]

5b rein ain't as haxed anymore. His only 1a hax is llt the rest is just legion and spear mind hax.

Reinhard Heydrich still has the 1A hax label in his profile. Imo

 

[Firephoenixearl]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2810810?useskin=oasis You were saying?

 

[GyroNutz]

>bloodlusted

 

[HammerStrikes219]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2810810?useskin=oasis You were saying?

Lmfao using Warren's words doesn't count for shit as we might as well go ahead and say Glads isn't a 1A ability that Reinhard has in his possession.

Also needs a CRT as those are his words that isn't even accepted anyway in additional he claim the soul rip isn't 1A which is all he is saying.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I am certain that never happened since Rein stomps

Also all keys of Rein are smurfs unlike Mercurius who should be number one thanks

I'm pretty sure base merc is connected to 1a merc and has type 8

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I'm pretty sure base merc is connected to 1a merc and has type 8

You mean Merc's avatars?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Hammer why you telling me? Make the CRT if you think that's the case.

And yeah I mean the avatars.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Hammer why you telling me? Make the CRT if you think that's the case.

I sayng that it is still listed on Reinhard Heydrich's page that he is listed like this: "At least 5-B, likely far higher, 1-A via LLT and hax"

 

[Paul_Frank]

3-A merc has type 9 from true Merc that's basically it

 

[Firephoenixearl]

3-A merc has type 9 from true Merc that's basically it

That's still smurf immortality.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Type 9 will be this one: Characters whose true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Unless I'm mistaken, it also means Merc can just keep throwing avatars at someone until something gives.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yep. Also merc is a smurf. His matter manip apparently worked on glads so yeah. Let's not talk about him.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ok so is the current list:

Iihiko (beat yhwhach)

Yhwach (is taking on rein >>>> meth)

Meth mind hax

Jessica

Is this right rn?

Everyone agree with this?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I would think so, at least for now.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Does that mean that Weather Report is the strongest non-smurf character for defeating Iihiko?

Edit: it was inconclusive

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Everyone agree with this?

Hmmm except for the lihiko part, the rest is fine.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Does that mean that Weather Report is the strongest non-smurf character for defeating Iihiko?

He didn't though. ikki however did

 

[HammerStrikes219]

He didn't though. ikki however did

Objection given how Weather Report stalemate him. Imo