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Ecang's range is Tier 2. And unless this plane is somehow physically some distance away from the universe, it's likely just in reference to her state of being.
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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He is 3B. Its on his other profile.
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He has a second profile.
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Ji Ning usually opens with thought-based spatial lock and fear aura, that's based on his concept manipulation and prevents even thought-based powers from being used.
Then he idk, transmutes or deconstructs her or something.
Also, how does she use her EE and info-hax?
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Usually she would resist all of that, but with concept manip things become more questionable. (Although his concept manip sounds no different than Ether or Names in Godless Planet tbh)
How exactly is the relation between the spatial and fear techniques and the concept manip?
Spear that deletes everything at the information level (including souls and stuff) and is very hard to resist.
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What is his passive hax actually?
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Good for Ether, still means little so long as it's not the same.
He uses his command of a concept to basically make space freeze and seize his opponents, surpressing even powers that work via thought.. It works purely off of having higher insight into the Dao so he could potentially even trap people who practice the Dao of Space in-verse, at least below his level at his own Dao. Fear is mostly induced as a result but it's not likely to have the same conceptual nature.
Huh, a spear? Ning dodges handily then.
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Law, mind, soul, power null and fate IIRC.
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True. Just felt like pointing it out, cause it's just one of those unpleasant cases where things would probably equalize in direct comparison, but don't due to the way the wiki splits abilities.
I have a hard time telling if that's using concept manip on the opponent or if it's using concept manip to manifest an effect that is used on the opponent tbh.
Maybe initially.
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The former. It's on a higher level than people with use of and inital mastery over the concept of space in-verse.
Attacks on the level of rainfall didn't phase his 10 year old self and by that time, he could dodge 10,000 arrows coming from all directions while being slower than said arrows. He'll be fine here.
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Layers aren't the issue. The question is if Eshita's concept is affected or the space Eshita is in is affected.
Like, Eshita is an information entity. Freeze the space in place and Eshita might just walk through it while it's frozen or erase it... or something along those lines.
The logistical impossibility of these descriptions aside, let's just say Eshita has means if it comes to an extended fight.
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It can work on both individuals and space if need be but I'll admit that the distinction isn't made that clear.
It's Chinamen stuff. Weep
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The thread links to the wrong profile. I did not notice he had another one.
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What does that mean in practice? Her profile doesn't say anything about being an information being.
And why would being an information being would allow her to move in a place of sealed concepts? These two things don't seem related at all
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I believe he means it as she wouldnt be affected by the conceptual manip as she's just info but I don't think that's true from what ik about info beings. Either way the match seems doable given the counters already propsed here.
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It's not a place of sealed concepts in my understanding. It's a place of a spatial lock put into place using concept manipulation. That's an important difference.
Let me give an example from Eshita's own verse. Brunhild Schild has the ability to add the concept of "Writing possesses power" to reality. Doing so makes it such that what she writes has a corresponding effect. E.g. she could write "explode" on a paper and it would explode. Let's say, for the sake of comparision, that Brunhild would make a ring of paper and write "Spatial Lock" on it. Then the concept that gives her writing power would create a spatial lock.
I would argue that Eshita could walk straight through that. She may not resist concept manip, so she can't prevent the spatial lock being created, but she resists the effect of space on her. No part of the conceptual power forced the spatial lock to be able to restrain her, it just is responsible for the spatial lock fundamentally existing.
For contrast, there is for example the Stillness Concept from Noah. That is used so that the concept of Stillness is applied to the target and by that it can't move anymore. Here, Eshita is directly conceptually manipulated and the concept directly says that she may not move. That she would be completely unable to do anything against.
As I like to say it when I try to convince people to let OnC Characters into tourneys: Not every application of concept manip is necessarily dead end OP. It depends on implementation.
She is an information entity given physical form. Gods can also exist as incorporeal virtual manifestations aka Ether beings (as mentioned in the immortality explanation on her page) so their minds aren't really bound to space. The importance of that is that she can still think in a spatial lock, where other entities might not.
If she can think she can use her own abilities to erase the space into Ether. Since we don't equalize Dao and Ether, I assume Ji can do as little against an Ether technique as Eshita can do against concepts. He doesn't have anything information related, after all.
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Would people affected by Ji Ning's thought-based spatial/paralysis hax still be able to think and/or talk, or does it stop all movements (including biological functions) of the body completely?
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Nonetheless, I may as well suggest Announcer for 4-A, specifically for the 4th placement. Not only is he way, way faster and stronger to the point of speedblitzing/one-shotting before Ning can think and do his hax, but Announcer has thought-based Plot Manipulation that causes people to be erased from the episode which causes them to not appear for the rest of it, and it also doubles as a Power Null, something I don't see Ning capable of resisting on his profile. Not to mention, the range with that Plot Manipulation goes on a high-universal scale.
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It specifically stops people from using thought based powers.
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So for like, speed unequal?
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Sure, I wouldn't mind it reading something like this:
Ji Ning (Speed Equal) / Announcer (Speed Unequal)
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No, Ning's power is closer to that Stillness Concept than to your hypothetical spatial lock:
“Let me try.” Ning laughed, then struck out with a finger into a sword-stance.
Suddenly, rainwater appeared in the surrounding area. The rainwater sprinkled everywhere, but each drop of water carried an incomparably amazing amount of power. The entire world seemed to have been frozen into place. An ordinary Wanxiang Adept probably wouldn’t even be able to move right now. After completely mastering a Dao-Path, one would be able to summon the awesome presence of the Dao itself, causing the entire surrounding area to be under one’s own control.
“This technique is called ‘My Own World’. Activate.” Ning suddenly flicked his finger. Swish! A streak of watery sword-light sliced through the skies, leaving behind a scar in the air that lingered for quite some time without vanishing.
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Ning's power doesn't lock space in the same way as the example you gave, he takes the control of the Dao (type 2 concept) of an area directly.
If she was given physical form then she isn't an information entity anymore, no? And like, can she just exit her physical form that casually? Her profile only mentions that she can do that after death
I have no idea about what Ether is and if it could be equalized or not but you're saying they can't be equalized so i will just agree.
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He is 10D
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Then Mister myxptlk deserves the number 2 spot since he stomps gurren lagann.
We could even argue for number against The six fold god
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I don't exactly see a counter for the fact that Akron just exists and is a black hole that should just gib the announcer passively
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He has 0 npi, along with everyone above wukong hax stomping, and if he wasn't 11D wukong would just hax stomp too.
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Isn't that something he needs to activate, though? He only created his black hole after absorbing the EBF3 party's powers, showing that this was through activation rather than the black hole being passive (Not to mention, he had to have absorbed Natalie's powers [The only character in that game who can learn the Black Hole limit break especially since she has moves like Pulsar which activate similarly in the prior games] in which Natalie activates her Black Hole through activation, further proving it's not passive). Plus, the only thing that's thought based is his soul/power null/absorption.
Nonetheless, Announcer has literally infinitely longer range than Akron's black hole.
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No, he doesn't, the black hole was generated due to the sheer power Akron had, and those thought-based things were the things he started with once he woke up, so he is liable to use it at the start of combat again.
Yes, that doesn't make him in 4km which is easily within range of all of Akron's hax, and as he doesn't have a resistance to matter, gravity, or black hole manip, he dies at the start of battle under SBA, and while he may respawn, we all know the machines are liable to break, along with them taking some amount of time to respawn the thing in question, so under SBA Akron has like 2/3 seconds, as an MFTL+ character and flight to find an object, or to just delete it with his black hole.
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Oh, right.
Speaking of which, I gotta get to that EBF CRT soon so I can potentially place Godcat higher on the list.
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Mister myxptlk is meant to have NPI for manipulating conceptual realms amd abstract entities, affecting space and time like literally fiction to him and many more.
Yeah I just heard Sun wukong is 10D didn't know.
Also how does Anti-Spiral beat Mister myxptlk? A thread was made and Mister myxptlk outhaxes and stomps also has immeasurable speed.
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Who are the strongest High 3-A Pokemon? Because I'm trying to see if characters from W.I.T.C.H. can contend for that spot after thier revisions.
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No quite sure, but Yveltal is a good start. AoE Life Absorption (that pertify) is it's go to move, and if it dies somehow it automatically absorbs the life and enters it's cocoon.
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Mister Myxptlk stomps Gurren Lagann speed unequalized and also
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Yveltal: Spams AOE Death+Life Force Absorption+Petrification, after Death it automatically does all of the above over the entire planet instantly
Victini: Passive Probability to make it always win
Mewtwo: A ton of thought based hax
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So if it's speed unequalized match and the opponent has Immesurable Speed and hax like transmutation, bfr that sends the opponent outside the multiverse and such, would they have a counter?
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BFR that sends the opponent outside the multiverse is smurf hax, so not allowed for this list (And any character with it is not allowed)
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