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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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No. Gu ganesha and destiny Worm god are fighting for it.
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they can replace Tokyo babel characters tbh, with speed equal and even with acau 5 given to TB they would still have no way to put down KH as it is now.
Though, from what I've seen most of TB characters will be able to beat Rimuru with speed unequal thanks to being immeasurable, so...
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gu inconed with rimuru.
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Who are the Ergenverse 6-A's and what do they have?
Noneless21
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Lan mu
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I stg they all have the same name I cannot tell them apart
Noneless21
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Arcker123
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What does she have to beat Gremmy. Looks like Gremmy Just EE’s her or BFRs.
Him too. Looks like Gremmy can just think and EE before he can fatehax Effectively.
azontr
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Pretty sure Desperado Fate hax is passive.
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I believe they're passive, but the effects which come from said passives aren't instant. But i could be wrong.
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Since when does Gremmy EE or BFR with a thought the second he sees someone to attack
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Since Guenael Lee
Arkenis
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He usually doesn't EE enemies and will EE objects like he does against Kenpachi. his BFR is pretty obvious its the space room, he didn't do it instantly.
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The way you phrased it it sounded like Gremmy instantly EEs/BFRs (which he definitely does not)
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He definitely does start with EE.
He quite literally did against Lee.
He quite literally did against Lee.
Arkenis
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That was against his own creation, he literally doesnt do it to people besides that.
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EE was in a specific case. Its easier to argue about him using deathhax or transmutation as the first move
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So? why does the distinct matter at all, just bringing up a distinction doesn't prove said distinction actually matters. His first offensive usage of The Visionary within the story was erasing someone from existence, it would most likely be the same here until you can prove why the distinct matters.
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Who is a special case as he literally created him and he has used EE against nobody else as his first move (or even used it at all IIRC)
and yes he is a special case there as if he did it as his first move normally he would have done it later on
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It wasn't a special case, saying it was doesn't prove that it actually was.
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Fedmahn Kassad for #5 low 7-B? It looks like he can beat Saten with unequalized speed, even.
Arkenis
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best hax?
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His phase suit allows him to passively accelerate and decelerate time, and he can travel backwards and forwards in time, which it looks like Saten doesn't resist.
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Actually, The Shrike from the same verse can do everything Kassad can do and more. So #4 should be characters from Hyperion Cantos and Saten should be bumped down to #5.
Oliver_de_jesus
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Enkidou resists that stuff via the resistance against soul, matter and space manipulation.
Then she petrifies Gremmy and turns him to mud.
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She ain't doing shit to Gremmy until she actually has scans of her profile of her doing said things.
The fact profiles with zero scans or links to actual evidence can exist on this wiki is a ******* L.
The fact profiles with zero scans or links to actual evidence can exist on this wiki is a ******* L.
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The profile has references to everything. That's actual evidence.
Gotta love people with no argument going "yeah, but the profile doesn't count".
Noneless21
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I think he meant there's no scan for the evidence
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Yeah, and "my profile has scans and yours not, so my character wins" is a terrible argument. Honestly.
References are accepted evidence in literally every kind of science. Other people's unwillingness to use them ain't my fault. And, as a wiki, we always go by what's on the profile. So if he really wants to doubt the contents he should make a CRT.
Or, y'know, ask me for evidence. I never mind people asking for scans on specific stuff. It would take me 30s to post scans of the petrification. But just going "no scans gg" is bad debating, as it's a blatant attempt to not actually engage the arguments made.
References are accepted evidence in literally every kind of science. Other people's unwillingness to use them ain't my fault. And, as a wiki, we always go by what's on the profile. So if he really wants to doubt the contents he should make a CRT.
Or, y'know, ask me for evidence. I never mind people asking for scans on specific stuff. It would take me 30s to post scans of the petrification. But just going "no scans gg" is bad debating, as it's a blatant attempt to not actually engage the arguments made.
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Scans are preferable, references are fine, but even if it's just on the profile then it is acceptable and usable (unless their has been someone making changes without an accepted CRT or based off false information), regardless of your opinion.
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It isn't and wasn't supposed to be an argument.
I'm saying your profile shouldn't be allowed on site as it currently is, and if I was king, dictator of VSBW i wouldn't allow it (this goes for any other profile that's like this as well, not just yours). We can have an actual argument about Gremmy vs that chick (and you know we can, because we've actually debate multiple times), i'm just making my opinion known that as someone who creates and revises profiles, i don't like the way you do it because it's quite literally "trust me bro" the profiles, especially with verses that grand total 5 people in the entire world has read or watch.
It shouldn't be the job of the person you're debating to grab YOUR evidence for YOUR claims, it should always be present on the profile so you can always evidence YOUR claims.
I don't care, i don't like it and it shouldn't be allowed, that was the entire point.
This isn't me making a factual statement within the context of the rules on VSBW, i'm making my opinion known because i'm tired of dealing with DontTalk's profiles, that have zero ******* scans of anything, rather just references to chapters and that's it. It just shouldn't be allowed.
Also i'll just make this known so people don't misinterpret my intention, this isn't an attack on DontTalk's character or anything like that, from all my interactions with him he seems like a fine dude, i just don't like the way he makes his profiles, that's all.
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Without further explanation on those resistances they're not preventing the EE or BFR.
Also, in regards to the BFR, Gremmy already did it to Kenpachi who has space manipulation resistance.
Lastly, she can't really petrify Gremmy given that his body is just one of his imaginary creations and and his real "body" is a disembodied soul brain.
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Read the Notable Attacks/Techniques section on the page. The parts about Ether and Divine Rank in particular. (That why I mention the resistances being via divine rank in the P&A)
TL;DR is that they resist any manipulation of Ether, with matter, space and souls being nothing but Ether put into a certain form. For a good example regarding EE I can also point to Eshita, who has EE that can be resisted via Divine Rank.
Kidou has multiple layers of resistance. It's also not like BFR is his go to move anyway. And gods can simply "hold space" via Ether manipulation, so Kidou might just be able to counteract it.
Furthermore, Kidou may start by putting up a combat barrier, which prevents leaving unless you can counter Info Manip Type 2. (It "digitalizes" you and by that separates you from the real world) That would prevent BFR as well.
This is petrification via Ether manip, which works on gods that in reality are Ether constructs. Like, the hierarchy of abstractness in the verse is Matter/Energy/Space/Time/Souls/Information (Type 1) < Laws of Nature and Destiny < Ether. She is affecting a more fundamental part of Gremmy than just his soul, as she uses her Authority to manipulate his Ether being (called "Mold" in the verse).
I'm also not sure if Gremmy can actually fight without his body? Have we seen that? Well, it doesn't matter.
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