Sora (Kingdom Hearts) Vs Tiamat (Tokyo Babel)

[Bobsican]

Man, what a way to start, TBH I'm mostly curious how much debate can be done here

KHII Sora is used, speed equalized

Tiamat: 0

Sora: 0

Incon: 7 (@Pain , @Zencha9 , @Delta333 , @Bobsican , @speedster352 , @TauanVictor , @Jamesthetaker)

 

[Nicetoderp]

No acausality? No way to hit type 5 acausality?

Immediately get fate hax

 

[Bobsican]

Sora has his own fate hax as well, and it'd be an NLF to claim type 5 Acausality can ignore 2-A AP here.

Your turn.

 

[PainKiller07]

You basically can't touch Type 5 Acausals without feats nor being an Acausal5 yourself, AP doesn't matter here, unfortunately.
Tiamat Law hax bypassed type 5 acausal tho

 

[Bobsican]

Hmmm... incon wars it is then : V

Anyways, bypassing an acausal and bypassing the same ability of someone else are quite different things. In any case, Sora's fate hax comes from another multiverse away even in his verse, so I don't think Tiamat can affect that given the current explanation on the page.
As for the law hax, well, it depends on how it's usable. The page currently implies it's just EE or so, which he resists, and for that matter, Sora scales x8 times far above baseline 2-B, let alone having practically 2-A durability with other abilities.

 

[PainKiller07]

Anyways, bypassing an acausal and bypassing the same ability of someone else are quite different things.

Hmmh okay, but Tiamat hax is also kinda 2 layers above one with 2B fate hax

In any case, Sora's fate hax comes from another multiverse away even in his verse, so I don't think Tiamat can affect that given the current explanation on the page.

seems Tiamat doesn't have a way to deal with that then. Although, how does Sora's fate hax specifically work as Tiamat can also win via non-killing methods

 

[Bobsican]

Basically he can't permanently die, but he can be incapped or stuff among those lines.

 

[PainKiller07]

can he resist mind crush that works on ppl with resistance

 

[Bobsican]

Sora's mind is bound to a type 1 concept, CM of that level would be required to alter it.

 

[PainKiller07]

Well pretty much incon then
Count this as my vote

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Acausality (Type 5; Transcends causality)

Top 10 logics

 

[Zencha9]

I mean it's the textbook defention of the type 5 lol
Anyways incon FRA

 

[Delta333]

Incon FRA although the description sounds like type 4 only plus I have heard that the girl gets causality haxxed in canon

 

[Zencha9]

Incon FRA although the description sounds like type 4 only plus I have heard that the girl gets causality haxxed in canon

Nah it's text book defention of 5
4 would be outside or smh
Also it's not really the first time a type 5 gets affected by causality look at oryx just means that it's a more potent hax
But if you're really iffy then make a crt and put the gun on the supporters head by threating to nuke the ability
since abilities like these need alot of context and the profile has none

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Nah it's text book defention of

If you take a closer look at the site you will see that simply transcending causality is not enough for type 5

 

[Zencha9]

If you take a closer look at the site you will see that simply transcending causality is not enough for type 5

Reaper, Dracula

Removed from the concept of time isn't equal to being transdencnt to causality or anything like that he's just removed/outside of the regular Flow of time same as the DMC goons

desperados

They're 3D what do you think?
Type 5 was suggested in the crt but it was denied Because again they're 3D lmao

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Removed from the concept of time isn't equal to being transdencnt to causality

Both are considered equivalent, in the same way that you exist outside of time gives you type 4. And I recommend reading the Scan, it literally mentions that they transcend pain, time and existence

They're 3D what do you think?

I mean

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Anyway, this is not the place to discuss this

 

[PainKiller07]

iirc Tiamat was given Acausality Type 5 primarily based on the fact that she is superior to God, capable of harming him causally as well as existing in a Void that predates the concept of time and space or sth like that. Pretty much means Tiamat is at least on the same level of existence as God.

I mean in rakudai ppl interact with Desperados regularly, though them being acausal 5 in the future is to be expected

 

[Delta333]

They're 3D what do you think?
Type 5 was suggested in the crt but it was denied Because again they're 3D lmao

3-D or not doesn't have anything to do with type of acausality

But yea we should stop derailing this lol

 

[Zencha9]

Type 5 is transcending causality which is tied to time how can you transcend time without without being higher D
Unless the baseline reality is 4D or some dumb shit like that

 

[Bobsican]

Incon FRA

 

[speedster352]

incon fra

 

[TauanVictor]

Incon FRA.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

1 more vote pls : V

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Incon FRA to end this.

 

[Bobsican]

Grace period starts! : V

 

[Bobsican]

Okay, stuff can be added to the pages now.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Type 5 is transcending causality which is tied to time how can you transcend time without without being higher D

Have at thee

 

[Zencha9]

Have at thee

tbf they're using higher d powers
but fair

 

[PainKiller07]

let me just add the match result on Tiamat's profile