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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)

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I'm decently sure that The Outsider beats Yubel in 2-C after looking at both profiles, could be wrong so it'll probably require a versus match. At least it'll probably end in an incon given The Outsider's insane large size (him embodying a structure which contains 1000 universal sized alternate realities). Which i doubt Yubel could fully interact with.
 
Maybe a thread should be made on them because Sonic probably has a higher AP than Dark Dragon but Dark Dragon can kill him with CM
 
Ego said:
Maybe a thread should be made on them because Sonic probably has a higher AP than Dark Dragon but Dark Dragon can kill him with CM
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EarthBound in 2-B is baseline-ish, but Dark Dragon can activate the CM from just waking up from its slumber, so it's thought-based.
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
the SS 2-C's have 4D (2-C level) Mind, soul, and heat passives.

Also they can passively supernaturally remove the 5 basic senses + the 6th sense characters with regen couldn't regen them back.

They have passive Absorption of a UES energy source which causes loss of consciousness almost instantly (Death soon after). Since its an absorption of a UES source its also draining the targets of their life force, and reducing their stats such as speed, stamina, durability, AP, etc. (Currently this is listed as life manipulation on the profiles)

They have a passive matter destruction (smaller than quarks destruction)

Passive Attack reflection which reflects basically anything intangible or tangible its specifically reflecting "Cosmos" which is a UES energy source in verse

Passive 6th sense which gives them things like Instinctive action, Extrasensory perception, precog/clairvoyance

Passive Paralysis inducement

Thats for all the SS 2-C's

Edit: they also have thought based matter control

Hades though...

He has additionally passive death manipulation

and passive sword abilities (on hit affects) which are Void, and curse manipulation with BFR

+ Immortality and regen negations
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Nicetoderp said:
Which place can they get in 2-C?
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These would be the passives he's up against with Seiya.
 
Deceived3596 said:
I'm decently sure that The Outsider beats Yubel in 2-C after looking at both profiles, could be wrong so it'll probably require a versus match. At least it'll probably end in an incon given The Outsider's insane large size (him embodying a structure which contains 1000 universal sized alternate realities). Which i doubt Yubel could fully interact with.
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The Outsider has this big issue of "Has no proper fighting IC"
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
These would be the passives he's up against with Seiya.
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Can they counter Giygas' AE1?
StrymULTRA said:
Giygas' mind hax is weird as it does not work on people who are mainly good of heart, but on morally grey/mostly evil it works. But is still 4D in potency, not to mention that his hax include things like Power Null, Transmutation, Blindness, Void Hax, etc.

The end is eeeeeeeh. Because the NEP does not cover from the hax Giygas has, but the AE1 yes, given that AE in EarthBound is not conceptual lol.
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These are Giygas' haxes, alongside the Passive Mind hax.

Ness has passive 4D Fate and Probability hax.

Dark Dragon starts with thought-based CM2 Erasure.
 
I thought AE1 is always conceptual because you embody a concept

Why is it that some characters with AE1 don't have it on a conceptual level 🤔
 
If this is the case then Mario characters should be higher than Undertale characters( like Chara)
 
Giygas is not the concept of evil, he is the evil which exists within minds, which is quite different.
 
Giygas is the embodiment of Evil tho

So isn't being the embodiment of something also being a concept to it to?
 
Ego said:
Giygas is the embodiment of Evil tho
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In the context he is not literally the concept of evil, as when he gets erased, nothing changed.

In context his mind hax controlled the evil inside of the living beings, but then he became said evil, not that he embodies the concept of it.
 
Ego said:
So AE1 can't always be a concept?
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No, because concept isn't the only thing being abstract in nature, there are many other things is abstract, such as thought, emotion, will, feeling, possibility, fate, causality, time, etc......
 
Speaking of which I always found it pretty intresting that something as esotic as a concept is very commonly associated with AE yet everyday subjects like maths, poetry, rumours, etc are quite uncommonly linked to AE in popular fictional works.
 
For a #8 spot in High 6C, Tensei Shitara slime datta ken Shuna Light Novel. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shuna_(Light_Novel).
Passive Corruption Type 2
First Move: She completely analyzes his opponent in a sight-based way, then She can use sight-based Power Null and Power Mimicry.(Can interact with Soul)
Unconventional resistances against loads of hax (soul interaction based) and more than more resistance.
 
CodeCCLL said:
For a spot in High 6C, Tensei Shitara slime datta ken Shuna Light Novel. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shuna_(Light_Novel).
Passive Corruption Type 2
First Move: She completely analyzes his opponent in a sight-based way, then he can use sight-based Power Null and Power Mimicry.(Can interact with Soul)
Unconventional resistances against loads of hax (soul interaction based) and more than more resistance.
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So what you're saying is you want me to feed Shuna to a Warhammer Fantasy Melee right? Lol
 
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