Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation

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Beyond the Grave for 10th place High 8-C

Beyond The Grave

Beyond The Grave is the semi-titular protagonist of the Gungrave series of video games, created by Red Entertainment under the creative direction of Yasuhiro Nightow. He is a "Deadman", an undead, genetically-engineered human created for use as a living weapon. Born under the name Brandon Heat...

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[Phsccarvalho]

Question, in case you or anyone else knows, can layers that didn't receive their own CRT get directly accepted in that thread as well? Or now we all need to go through the 2 things?

You can go directly to the thread if you want.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

that's honestly very stressful, to prove one's ability needs another thread?
One where there's a 90.9% chance they won't even reply, that's crazy and stressful for both mods and members you know, but who am i, just a normie without any right to make a point.

 

[Planck69]

Question, in case you or anyone else knows, can layers that didn't receive their own CRT get directly accepted in that thread as well? Or now we all need to go through the 2 things?

You can make verse specific threads and mot necessarily go through the layer evaluation thread. But yeah, retroactive application (as in, a CRT that predates the change) won't work.

Of over 20 layers?

That has also been accepted on the Hax Layer Evaluation Thread?

The Ergenverse characters in 5-C have over 30 layers of hax, not 20. It's 10 layers per cultivation stage.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

The Ergenverse characters in 5-C have over 30 layers of hax, not 20. It's 10 layers per cultivation stage.

Is it based on Law and CM type 2? otherwise they got nothing on Hajime.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Is it based on Law and CM type 2? otherwise they got nothing on Hajime.

It can be Conceptual 1 and based on Plot Manipulation, if they resist the effect the cause does not matter.

 

[Planck69]

Is it based on Law and CM type 2? otherwise they got nothing on Hajime.

Law, yes for Ergenverse. Both for Ji Ning.

And what DaReaper said. End of the day, Hajime gets passively power nulled and soul destroyed by Ergenverse characters and gets nuked by Ji Ning.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Law, yes for Ergenverse. Both for Ji Ning.

And what DaReaper said. End of the day, Hajime gets passively power nulled and soul destroyed by Ergenverse characters and gets nuked by Ji Ning.

Then how they aren't higher than Evangelion, Mummy and Nessie?

 

[Planck69]

Then how they have a problem with Evangelion and Nessie?

Evangelion has passive deconstruction of a high degree IIRC. Idk about Nessie.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Just checked Ji Ning and Ergenverse profiles:

I don't see Ji Ning resistance to CM type 1, why ?

How many CM1 layers Ji Moi and Bai characters have in Low 5-B?

 

[Planck69]

Just checked Ji Ning and Ergenverse profiles:

I don't see Ji Ning resistance to CM type 1, why ?

How many CM1 layers Ji Moi and Bai characters have in Low 5-B?

Wasn't it Type 2? He resists it from his Wanxiang key.

Bai doesn't have CM layers in that key, they don't matter when he's passively nuking his opponents.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Nessie kinda just exists with its AP crush, madness manip, and the fact that it's AE1 on a type 1 concept.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Wasn't it Type 2? He resists it from his Wanxiang key.

Those 20 layers are for Law and CM type 2, while his CM 1 got 1 or 2 layers .

Bai doesn't have CM layers in that key, they don't matter when he's passively nuking his opponents.

So he get haxed, Nuking with what? (Check Hajime's profile)

Nessie kinda just exists with its AP crush, madness manip, and the fact that it's AE1 on a type 1 concept.

Hajime can interact with AE type 1 and 2 and use and adapt to CM 1 using his will.

Does Nessie AP come from the meteor feat?

 

[DaReaperMan]

So he get haxed, Nuking with what? (Check Hajime's profile)

30 layers of **** you

 

[Rikimarox2]

Does Nessie AP come from the meteor feat?

Downscales from that, which is baseline 5-B. It's passive AP crush is from the statement where gods passively destroy floors (which are the size of small planets) via their pressure alone.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

30 layers of **** you

That's how we doing ?
here is a layered conceptual **** just for you

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Downscales from that, which is baseline 5-B. It's passive AP crush is from the statement where gods passively destroy floors (which are the size of small planets) via their pressure alone.

Their pressure is Low-5B, what about their attacks?

 

[Planck69]

That's how we doing ?
here is a layered conceptual **** just for you

Crushing his body, destroying his soul, deconstructing him and this after nulling his powers passively. And no, it doesn't matter that he has Type 1 CM and law hax, please stop spamming that. Hell, the latter is resisted and Bai has Type 4 Acausality for it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

That's how we doing ?
here is a layered conceptual **** just for you

facepalm

Grow thicker skin and realize 30 layer passives is what I was referring to.

 

[Planck69]

Also, haven't kept up with the layer thread. But have the 20 layers been accepted yet?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Crushing his body, destroying his soul, deconstructing him and this after nulling his powers passively. And no, it doesn't matter that he has Type 1 CM and law hax, please stop spamming that. Hell, the latter is resisted and Bai has Type 4 Acausality for it.

Sorry for repeating.

He got infinite revive that rely on a device in another pocket dimension, he can analyze info type 2 to understand his hax and just copy it, he adapt to tons of Law and CM based hax including powernull and he has an artifact that give him passive resistance to them.

Don't you need a proof of his Aca type 4 protecting him from CM 1?

Grow thicker skin and realize 30 layer passives is what I was referring to.

Can you explain why having passive hax will make a difference ?

Also, haven't kept up with the layer thread. But have the 20 layers been accepted yet?

Here

They were accepted, the thread where they got accepted was made after the hax potency revision where layers became the priority instead of numbers, the only other hax potency revision that have happened in this time as far I remember was the one related with higher d hax being inherently superior than 3d hax, they are not outdated, it's just that someone in disagreement brought it in fuji thread, everything mentioned that he didn't understood some parts, I answered back clarifying things, and nothing more happened.

and

Now about the chinamen debate, they can go above, arifureta don't have forty layers, at most one cne could argue that they can adapt even so, but currently reactive evolution/adaptation is almost useless after some revision. Hajime have a defensive passive powernull that deal with those things but from what I get they resist powernull so don't matter. And there is the concept type 1 stuff that could be argued to get him the win, specially because the thing come from the sheer strength of his will, but is easier to make a case about the chinemen winning before Hajime making a conceptual artifact to deal with them.

Do we need to a vs thread between them and Hajime?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can you explain why having passive hax will make a difference ?

I mean if you exist and make those around you roblox death sound no amount of revives or info analysis is gonna save ya

(5:25 if you're interested in the example lol)

 

[Planck69]

Sorry for repeating.

He got infinite revive that rely on a device in another pocket dimension, he can analyze info type 2 to understand his hax and just copy it, he adapt to tons of Law and CM based hax including powernull and he has an artifact that give him passive resistance to them.

Don't you need a proof of his Aca type 4 protecting him from CM 1?

Can you explain why having passive hax will make a difference ?

Here

and

Do we need to a vs thread between them and Hajime?

I specifically remember there being issues on the layer thread and if those weren't addressed and accepted I dunno how that'd be accepted. Even I had to prove it for God of War on that thread despite having made a layer thread after the change and the actual accepted layers on my CRT and on the thread were different.

So, "there were contentions that were never resolved" isn't really "yeah, this is totally accepted".

But let's assume 20 layers are all here for the sake of argument. There's a gargantuan gap anyway.

As for the revive, it doesn't matter. He's constantly incapped into a powerless soul-crushed dust cloud against an opponent that can keep standing there for centuries if need be.

The Type 4 was in regards to law hax not CM. He's not getting a chance to let CM go off. Even less so when there's a dozen layers between them and any resistances gained via RE can be stripped away with Divine Sense.

As for Ji Ning, that comes back down to the layer stuff. If it's there then he can go lower than Hajime I think. If not then maybe a thread can be made.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I mean if you exist and make those around you roblox death sound no amount of revives or info analysis is gonna save ya

(5:25 if you're interested in the example lol)

Thanks

I get it, but Hajime can adapt to different energies, environnement and hax. Yes, the hax will affect him but he has a chance of adapting or just escaping to his pocket dimension to prepare and comback and this is something he does in character. unless it's something he can't surive or comback from.

If this could help, character with strong will in the verse can resist layered CM 1 based EE on their first try.
(I'm not saying he can win)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I specifically remember there being issues on the layer thread and if those weren't addressed and accepted I dunno how that'd be accepted. Even I had to prove it for God of War on that thread despite having made a layer thread after the change and the actual accepted layers on my CRT and on the thread were different.

And there is still no answere about those layers.

But let's assume 20 layers are all here for the sake of argument. There's a gargantuan gap anyway.

As for the revive, it doesn't matter. He's constantly incapped into a powerless soul-crushed dust cloud against an opponent that can keep standing there for centuries if need be.

The Type 4 was in regards to law hax not CM. He's not getting a chance to let CM go off. Even less so when there's a dozen layers between them and any resistances gained via RE can be stripped away with Divine Sense.

Maybe he could adapt?

His hax are based on both Law and CM 2, won't they also need to resist CM2?

How does Divine Sense work?

As for Ji Ning, that comes back down to the layer stuff. If it's there then he can go lower than Hajime I think. If not then maybe a thread can be made.

If you think it's necessary I could make a thread.

Hajime vs Qiqi is not finished yet, will it be a problem?

 

[Planck69]

And there is still no answere about those layers.


Maybe he could adapt?

His hax are based on both Law and CM 2, won't they also need to resist CM2?

How does Divine Sense work?

If you think it's necessary I could make a thread.

Hajime vs Qiqi is not finished yet, will it be a problem?

The adaptation is meaningless when he's already several layers behind and Ergenverse characters have Resistance Negation anyway. Any resistance layer gained can just be taken away.

Divine Sense is a thought based power that can also be set to passively affect targets even without input of a cultivator. They can have a strand of it cover the area, make it constantly negate resistances and just keep sitting there.

Again, being based on something is meaningless. All powers in Ergenverse are technically based on Daos, which are Type 1 concepts but ya don't see me saying that every time.

Even then, Hajime is power nulled so it's meaningless.

 

[Planck69]

If you think it's necessary I could make a thread.

Hajime vs Qiqi is not finished yet, will it be a problem?

A thread is kinda pointless until the layers are fully sorted on that layer thread or in a new CRT. If they're fully accepted then Ning loses. If not then a match can be made.

Otherwise the thread will just be a layer argument for several pages.

 

[XDragnoir]

You can make verse specific threads and mot necessarily go through the layer evaluation thread. But yeah, retroactive application (as in, a CRT that predates the change) won't work.

We should probably do something for Ning then.

Let me see... Mind/Soul layers, Heartforce layers, Law/Concept layers, this is already a lot.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Also, haven't kept up with the layer thread. But have the 20 layers been accepted yet?

no it was not accepted. I don`t know why watcher keeps lying about it.
Here is what was accepted in the hax layer thread

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

no it was not accepted. I don`t know why watcher keeps lying about it.
Here is what was accepted in the hax layer thread

I know, but it wasn't concluded.

 

[Planck69]

I know, but it wasn't concluded.

Yeah, no.

If that's the last staff post on the matter on that thread then 20 layers have been rejected. Just cause the specific number of layers haven't been nailed down doesn't mean that 20 is usable.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Adam vs Nessie, Low 5-B.

Adam (Evangelion) VS Nessie (Second Life Ranker) |Battle for the 1st strongest non-smurf Low 5-B|

IDK jack shit about the Mummy, so Adam is the best thing we have right now. Speed is equalized. Both are Low 5-B. Adam: 0 Nessie: 0 Incon: 0

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[Rikimarox2]

Adam vs Nessie, Low 5-B.

Adam (Evangelion) VS Nessie (Second Life Ranker) |Battle for the 1st strongest non-smurf Low 5-B|

IDK jack shit about the Mummy, so Adam is the best thing we have right now. Speed is equalized. Both are Low 5-B. Adam: 0 Nessie: 0 Incon: 0

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Been concluded that Nessie stomps.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Been concluded that Nessie stomps.

Did it only took AE and madness cause both Hajime and his summons have them, but we are still stuck with Qiqi NLF.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Holy Spirit (Web Novel)

In nothingness, power finds its fill, The Great Holy spirit is the source of power.Ramiris Explaining the Holy spirit The Great Holy Spirit (大聖霊 dai seirei) is a mass of primordial energy with no will or attributes, it's a mysterious entity that just happened to be, a being born from nothing...

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New 2-A Or 2-C Applicant

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Holy Spirit (Web Novel)

In nothingness, power finds its fill, The Great Holy spirit is the source of power.Ramiris Explaining the Holy spirit The Great Holy Spirit (大聖霊 dai seirei) is a mass of primordial energy with no will or attributes, it's a mysterious entity that just happened to be, a being born from nothing...

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New 2-A Or 2-C Applicant

For 2-C you will have to do a vs thread since all spaces are occupied.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Nah, ignore this, cause there is still Blazblue characters with insane hax layers lol, should list them instead

At least it would be to generate some movement in the top low 1-C, since it seems to be very still, and I'm sure several 5D can beat Loki with passives.

 

[Vietthai96]

At least it would be to generate some movement in the top low 1-C, since it seems to be very still, and I'm sure several 5D can beat Loki with passives.

actually there are many 5D without passive can still beat him, but people don't care apparently, like me for example

 

[Phsccarvalho]

actually there are many 5D without passive can still beat him, but people don't care apparently, like me for example

So let me sneak Goku into the top.

 

[ThanatosX]

I will write this for the third and last time since it's annoying to repeat the same thing over and over again.
Loki's first move is a Time Travel that is able to affect and rewrite Acausality Type 1, 2 and 4 (which also gives him layered Acausality since he himself is immune to his own Time Travel, btw). Said Time Travel, and all of his Time Haxes in general, are 6-D in nature and allows him to travel across 6 dimensions (4 spatial and 2 temporal), and, just in case an argument is made for that, ignore stuff like Power Nullification since they worked perfectly fine even while all of his abilities were nulled by the technology of the TVA, which is also able to null conceptual time stuff like the Infinity Stones. Said Time Travel allowed him to travel to and rewrite a place that not only had the previously mentioned Acausality, but that was also temporally destroyed and didn't exist anymore across all time and space. Basically, even if a character have Acausality, the match would already be over before it starts.
And just to say, passives would also have a hard time working on him. When the Temporal Loom exploded, the entire Multiverse, including the TVA, was passively erased across all time and space, and yet Loki's Time Travel was able to bypass said passive destruction since it had a hard time reaching him while he was Time Slipping, and Loki at the end of the series was even able to undo said destruction across all time and space, despite said thing already having happened and the place he was rewriting not existing anymore. So, overall, his Time Travel is busted.
And with this I wont touch this again since I am on a break from this wiki and I am pretty sure I already explained at the very least the Time Travel part before in this very thread, so I will dip out once again.