Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation

[deonment]

Loki's first move is a Time Travel that is able to affect and rewrite Acausality Type 1, 2 and 4 (which also gives him layered Acausality since he himself is immune to his own Time Travel, btw).

1)That isn't how layered acausality, that's just extra resistance
2)The person with type 2 acausality (if there even is someone because I cannot find a page with it) should have it outright removed because having your past or future versions affected while you "have" type 2, just means you don't have it. Unless you mean they got affected by a change in the past, which doesn't even really matter for the potency of a given time hax

 

[Vietthai96]

The feat is confusing ngl, he time travelled and rewrite acausality, but time travel just rewrite reality via paradox, an indirect influence. To be fair, the feat feel like to me that it is verse mechanic that can rewrite acausality, unless there are something more than just time travel, his time manip on profile doesn't say much aside from stopping time and throw someone out of time. Seriously his profile should have better justification or else no one know aside from basic stuffs

 

[Arkenis]

Damn this almost at 100 pages.

 

[Vietthai96]

New format with 40 posts per page so yeah

 

[Arkenis]

New format with 40 posts per page so yeah

what was the post count before?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

what was the post count before?

100

 

[Livinmeme]

Characters from Disgaea for 2-A....The profiles are outdated, but they still have AP on the millons....And the only ones with hax that matter is I can't die tryhard and Designated jobber

 

[Livinmeme]

That is definitely what the profiles say, yes.

Sorry IF I am wrong, but didn't the rules changed that?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

For 2-C you will have to do a vs thread since all spaces are occupied.

Pointless Number 6, just becomes 7 and 10 gets removed

 

[Jozaysmith?]

i mean....
You take a look at it yourself

 

[Robo432343]

the presence can be removed in 1-C list
he is 1-B now
so we can replace him with this guy since overvoid and god incon each other due to god having transduality type 2

God (Seekers into the Mystery)

God is the central character of the graphic novel Seekers Into the Mystery, written by J.M DeMatteis. He is the ultimate reality and utmost source of all things, being the ocean of nothingness (And also of pure love) from which all of existence emanated, having been created so as to express...

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[Dragonite007]

Holy Spirit (Web Novel)

In nothingness, power finds its fill, The Great Holy spirit is the source of power.Ramiris Explaining the Holy spirit The Great Holy Spirit (大聖霊 dai seirei) is a mass of primordial energy with no will or attributes, it's a mysterious entity that just happened to be, a being born from nothing...

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New 2-A Or 2-C Applicant

 

[ThanatosX]

The person with type 2 acausality (if there even is someone because I cannot find a page with it) should have it outright removed because having your past or future versions affected while you "have" type 2, just means you don't have it. Unless you mean they got affected by a change in the past, which doesn't even really matter for the potency of a given time hax

Sorry for the late reply, but as I said I am on a break, so I just check this thread from time to time. Anyways, his Time Travel allowed him to travel back in time and rewrite a place that have no time (in the sense that it have no past, present or future). This doesn't make sense, and the series itself repeatedly states that it's something that is impossible, but he still did regardless because his Time Slipping abilities are just that broken (he even time stop time in a place with no time, rewind time in a place that had his time destroyed and other stuff like that). They even says something along the line of: "You time travelled in a place with no time? That's impossible, but you did it anyways" (not exactly how the statement is, but you get the point). If there was no such statement than I would agree, but there is so there is no problem. Anything in fiction is possible, after all. I have seen crazier feats like mind haxxing a inanimate object.
If you are interested, he affected a place that had Acausality Type 1, 2 and 4, and at the moment there is only a blog for said place, but all of this was already accepted in previous revisions.

The feat is confusing ngl, he time travelled and rewrite acausality, but time travel just rewrite reality via paradox, an indirect influence. To be fair, the feat feel like to me that it is verse mechanic that can rewrite acausality, unless there are something more than just time travel, his time manip on profile doesn't say much aside from stopping time and throw someone out of time. Seriously his profile should have better justification or else no one know aside from basic stuffs

I agree that his page require much more justification and I was working on something for that before going on a break. I think other users might be getting ready to make a revision to add other stuff, but don't take my word for it.
Now I will dip out for the third and hopefully last time.

 

[Vietthai96]

I agree that his page require much more justification and I was working on something for that before going on a break. I think other users might be getting ready to make a revision to add other stuff, but don't take my word for it.

a detail explanation under Notable Attacks/Techniques section would be nice

 

[deonment]

Sorry for the late reply, but as I said I am on a break, so I just check this thread from time to time. Anyways, his Time Travel allowed him to travel back in time and rewrite a place that have no time (in the sense that it have no past, present or future). This doesn't make sense, and the series itself repeatedly states that it's something that is impossible, but he still did regardless because his Time Slipping abilities are just that broken (he even time stop time in a place with no time, rewind time in a place that had his time destroyed and other stuff like that). They even says something along the line of: "You time travelled in a place with no time? That's impossible, but you did it anyways" (not exactly how the statement is, but you get the point). If there was no such statement than I would agree, but there is so there is no problem. Anything in fiction is possible, after all. I have seen crazier feats like mind haxxing a inanimate object.
If you are interested, he affected a place that had Acausality Type 1, 2 and 4, and at the moment there is only a blog for said place, but all of this was already accepted in previous revisions.

Having no time doesn't give something type 2 acausality, and it is less a matter of fiction not making sense, but rather a matter of standards, in that type 2 acausality gives you straight up immunity towards attempts at affecting you in your past or future (which this doesn't even seem like really, so bypassing type 2 doesn't even seem relevant here even if they legitimately have it) because there literally is no past or future version of you.

So it comes down to the fact that if someone has an immunity for whatever reason and for whatever hax (which type 2 uncontradicted is a source of), then affecting them in spite of it is not the hax bypassing some immunity, but instead either that immunity is not an immunity in the first place and as such should be removed or downgraded to just resistance to that ability (which would mean removing type 2 in this scenario) or via working on a different vector which the immunity wouldn't cover (which wouldn't count for potency, just variety).

In either case, it wouldn't mean what you think or had said it meant.

 

[ThanatosX]

Having no time doesn't give something type 2 acausality, and it is less a matter of fiction not making sense, but rather a matter of standards, in that type 2 acausality gives you straight up immunity towards attempts at affecting you in your past or future (which this doesn't even seem like really, so bypassing type 2 doesn't even seem relevant here even if they legitimately have it) because there literally is no past or future version of you.

So it comes down to the fact that if someone has an immunity for whatever reason and for whatever hax (which type 2 uncontradicted is a source of), then affecting them in spite of it is not the hax bypassing some immunity, but instead either that immunity is not an immunity in the first place and as such should be removed or downgraded to just resistance to that ability (which would mean removing type 2 in this scenario) or via working on a different vector which the immunity wouldn't cover (which wouldn't count for potency, just variety).

In either case, it wouldn't mean what you think or had said it meant.

Sorry to disappoint you but, if you know anything about how time works, you would know that having no time means that there is no past or future to travel into. Time is a sequenze of events that happens one after another, forming a series of snap-shots, with travelling throught time meaning to travel into one of this snap-shots. If something have no time, said snap-shots do not exist, and as such it's impossible to travel to any point in the past or future of said places, because they would not have any. Travelling in the past in a place with no time means that you would be traveling to something that, quite literally, do not exists at all. It's even explained clear cut in the series that TVA have "no past to travel into", and that Loki would be travelling into something that "do not exist" in the first place, and that changing the events of the TVA would be impossible because of that. So no, regardless of what you say the series itself debunk what you are saying.
And guess what? Fiction is full of cases of characters bypassing immunity to something. Acausality do give an Immunity, sure, but that doesn't mean that said immunity cannot be bypassed in itself by something that simply ignored the immunity entirely. Saying that if a immunity is bypassed than there is no immunity despite THE SERIES ITSLEF saying otherwise is just an asinine argument that ignores what is presented by the product itself and is made out of incredulity more than anything. If you want to make an argument, make one that is connected to the series, stop using this wiki's flawed standards as a shield to justify your argumentation that ignore what is being told by the story.
I wont go any further with this discussion since I doubt that you will change your mind, and I wilm probably stop checking this thread entirely since at this point it just became a source of stress and nothing more. It's annoying to make this kind of conversations, now I remember why I left.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Strongest non-smurf Low 5-B Hajime vs Qiqi

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hajime_Nagumo#After-Stories_%E2%96%BE VS https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Qiqi Condition: speed equalized Hajime: @Expectro2000xxx ,@pfate17 ,@Phoenks ,@Epiccheev ,@LuffyRuffy46307 ,@EL_xWatcher1234x ,@Noneless21 , Qiqi: @DontTalkDT ,@Jozaysmith? ...

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It ended with Hajime (7) vs Qiqi (2)

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

western series chinaman for spot in 5C, Low 5B, , 4A and 3A

For 5C: He has layered soul stuff, conceptual void hax, , reality warping to do things like power null and more

Low 5B: Conceptual destruction, casuality hax,

4A: improved causality hax

3A: improved concept hax

in traditional xiania style all his keys have improved hax layers the higher up he gets

 

[Samael_010]

The Prince of Cures outhax Tamamo so hard he also start with EE, get him to 3rd place on 9-C

 

[Rutæhh]

The Prince of Cures outhax Tamamo so hard he also start with EE, get him to 3rd place on 9-C

greatsword gets a wipin

 

[Samael_010]

greatsword gets a wipin

 

[Lynieryz]

Tier High 6-A:

Spoiler

1. Chen Qi (Dragon Talisman)

2. Golden King

3. Zhong Yue

4. Characters from Ergenverse

5. Ji Ning

6. Adam (Evangelion)

7. Eternatus

8. Characters from Touhou (Mainly Reisen)

9. Gremmy Thoumeaux

10.

Holou to take the second place in High 6-A.

Holou

…Words, essentially, are a form of creation. Know that the words of a god are beyond the base likes of yourselves. Know, too, the weight of thy own words, and if thou hast the wit… …I shall wait at the end. Vainly spend thy mortal life and crawl—up to me.Holou to 「 」 and others Holou (帆楼ほろう...

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[Phsccarvalho]

Holou to take the second place in High 6-A.

Holou

…Words, essentially, are a form of creation. Know that the words of a god are beyond the base likes of yourselves. Know, too, the weight of thy own words, and if thou hast the wit… …I shall wait at the end. Vainly spend thy mortal life and crawl—up to me.Holou to 「 」 and others Holou (帆楼ほろう...

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You will have to do a VS match.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Holou to take the second place in High 6-A.

Holou

…Words, essentially, are a form of creation. Know that the words of a god are beyond the base likes of yourselves. Know, too, the weight of thy own words, and if thou hast the wit… …I shall wait at the end. Vainly spend thy mortal life and crawl—up to me.Holou to 「 」 and others Holou (帆楼ほろう...

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"her true ether exists in a higher dimension[4]" damn bro i think she might not belong on the non-smurf list

She gets instantly ganked by Reisen's mindhax anyways, rip

 

[Lynieryz]

"her true ether exists in a higher dimension[4]" damn bro i think she might not belong on the non-smurf list

Currently it is an unquantifiable dimension.

She gets instantly ganked by Reisen's mindhax anyways, rip

Abstract Existence (Type 1; She is the concept of doubt and trust herself[2])

 

[Arcker123]

Jean Grey doesn't have a 9-A tier anymore so she should be removed.

Would Corvo vs Tricky for the 8th spot be a good match?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Currently it is an unquantifiable dimension.

Everyone in Touhou regularly throws hands with people made of faith, emotions, concepts, or nothingness. Type 1 AE isn't gonna cut it.

 

[Lynieryz]

Everyone in Touhou regularly throws hands with people made of faith, emotions, concepts, or nothingness. Type 1 AE isn't gonna cut it.

It's not enough, and type 1 is specifically for naming. Are there any characters that type 1 is not accepted for naming only?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

It's not enough, and type 1 is specifically for naming. Are there any characters that type 1 is not accepted for naming only?

what

This is about their NPI, I didn't bring up a damn thing about naming.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Also, isn't type 1 AE for her second key, which has an unknown tier + HDE?

 

[Lynieryz]

what

This is about their NPI, I didn't bring up a damn thing about naming.

So it's even worse how you thought that mentioning a lot of things that you didn't give any quantification would be of any use?

Also, isn't type 1 AE for her second key, which has an unknown tier + HDE?

This is for her real self the other is just an avatar that the real one can recreate.

Currently it is an unquantifiable dimension.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

So it's even worse how you thought that mentioning a lot of things that you didn't give any quantification would be of any use?

This is for her real self the other is just an avatar that the real one can recreate.

"Wouldn't be of any use" my brother in christ the entire point is. that her NPI would let her interact with Houlo. That type 9 immortality doesn't mean much when Reisen can just incap with mindhax by looking in her general direction (which she doesn't even need NPI for, seeing as her avatar only has type 2 AE).

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

"Wouldn't be of any use" my brother in christ the entire point is. that her NPI would let her interact with Houlo. That type 9 immortality doesn't mean much when Reisen can just incap with mindhax by looking in her general direction (which she doesn't even need NPI for, seeing as her avatar only has type 2 AE).

Reinsen doesn't have NPI in her profile.

 

[Lynieryz]

"Wouldn't be of any use" my brother in christ the entire point is. that her NPI would let her interact with Houlo. That type 9 immortality doesn't mean much when Reisen can just incap with mindhax by looking in her general direction (which she doesn't even need NPI for, seeing as her avatar only has type 2 AE).

It is not enough; you didn't quantify the npi in relation to the type of AE and the avatar's mind is the real one mind so it wouldn't work.

 

[Shmooply]

Reinsen doesn't have NPI in her profile.

She does.

Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm Phantoms and Evil Spirits with her regular attacks, as well as divine beings like Junko[16])

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

High 6-A with 1-B Immortality type 9 for top 10 strongest non-smurfs

 

[Livinmeme]

High 6-A with 1-B Immortality type 9 for top 10 strongest non-smurfs

Dimensionality isn't smurf inherently, otherwise she would be 1-B

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

Dimensionality isn't smurf inherently, otherwise she would be 1-B

her true self exist in 13+iR dimensions meaning you need 1-B range in order to affect or kill her
this is her Immortality type 9

her true ether exists in a higher dimension[4

 

[Livinmeme]

her true self exist in 13+iR dimensions meaning you need 1-B range in order to affect or kill her
this is her Immortality type 9

Dimensionality isn't inherently smurf, we just use the dimension term as an acronym

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

Dimensionality isn't inherently smurf, we just use the dimension term as an acronym

Basically only characters who don't have higher-dimensional abilities or stats then their dimensional level (I.E. a 10D character can't have 11D hax, for example). Even if said stuff is practically useless. This also includes protection from a higher dimensional being, range and resistances.