EL_xWatcher1234x
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Isn't this just an increase in potency.(DK much about Nasu)
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Hax Layer Evaluation Thread
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@WHYNAUT i already said it works for layered hax.
@Seracle already saw the infinite glare thing, not remotely close to argue infinite layers. The Kama stuff also doesn’t help for layered hax when the context is making their resistance weaker, AKA resistance negation, and the infinite mana thing isn’t enough for infinite layers.
@Seracle already saw the infinite glare thing, not remotely close to argue infinite layers. The Kama stuff also doesn’t help for layered hax when the context is making their resistance weaker, AKA resistance negation, and the infinite mana thing isn’t enough for infinite layers.
Rabbit2002
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Also, that blog is about the names of the realms to avoid confusion, if it's about layers, then here
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@Rabbit2002 ok now I can see some layered hax for the stairs of cultivation.
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@Rikimarox2 @WHYNAUT Can either of you specify for your verses that got evaluated how many layers they'd have with this so I can document what exactly is accepted, and provide some scans if possible please?
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Rikimarox2
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Don't really have time rn since I don't have a pc, but basically, anything that was related to the mind barrier scan will be like, either 10 or 20-30 layers or smth, depending on how we interpret the same rank resistance. each rank has 3 levels, and there are ranks from F- to SSS+/EX, with each rank having 3 marks, like E-, E, E+. This also applies to the power null.
Some stuff has to be removed, like the layering to law manip, as well as some other shenanigans which I'll try to delve deeper into it once I get back to the pc.
Fyi the verse is outdated, so I'll have to change a lot of stuff.
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@Rabbit2002 the infinite void and other stuff is too vague for the infinite layers, plus the other link doesn't tell me anything about infinite stairs, just 9 stairs so 9 layers from what I'm seeing.
@Rikimarox2 That's fine, take your time.
@Rikimarox2 That's fine, take your time.
Rabbit2002
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Wait, what infinite void?
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@Rabbit2002 The imgur scan you linked that talks about infinite fate, void, etc. If that's supposed to be proof for infinite layers I'm not seeing it given how vague it is, plus I've said the 9 stairs you've linked has some evidence for layered hax, the rest not really.
KingNanaya
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so, how many layers is Nasu at now?
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I've not given any exact number of layers, just that there exists layered hax. The exact number should be given with scans to support said case if possible.
Rabbit2002
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Not only are there 9 stairs, but each large realm (mortal, immortal) has 9 smaller stairs/realms. With the Mortal Five Great Realms (Energy arts, Lifeseizer, Legendary, Great Sage, Demi-immortals) there are basically 39 layers (since the first to fifth stairs of the first Great Realm don't have any hax/abilities to scale)
Each Immortal's Great Realm's small stair have the same difference as Mortal's lowest and highest stairs.
Even the highest Stair (Dao-Demolisher) of the First Great Realm (Demolishing) cannot escape and resist the laws and destiny of the First Ranked Immortal World.
Additionally, the difference between Mortal World and First Ranked-Immortal Worlds is equivalent to four Immortal Planes ranks. Three thousand ranks = 263,250 layers (39 x 9 x 3000/4). This applies to the two keys as they each have their own three thousandth ranked immortal worlds on both planes (4-D/5D and 6-D)
If you take infinite then there are many other things. In Great Sage Planet-Step, achievements and power are determined by the number of planetary illusions you resist (resistance to soul manipulation/EE), Yang Qi was able to resist an infinite number of planets
Or the concentration level, the power of magical laws that I mentioned before. Weaker/Weakened magical laws will make it easier to bend (which is normally impossible) and stronger/more condensed magicial laws are essentially layered resistance + hax potency. Combined with Primal chaos, Heaven Beyond Heavens contains an infinite sea of chaos, each drop can affect cultivators resistant to layered chaos manipulation. Heaven Beyond Heaven as a whole has been declared filled with the infinite power of magical laws. Yang Qi with a weaker cultivation base than Grand Emperor compressed it to the size of a hand and was not affected by its law/chaos manipulation
EL_xWatcher1234x
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What's the situation for Arifureta's layers?
Rabbit2002
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The rest?
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@Rabbit2002 Yeah the sea being boundless doesn't really mean infinite since it can also mean immense, like its just ridiculously large in size, though the shrinkage of it translating to stronger potency does help. Same with the planets since nothing mentions there being actual infinite numbers of planets, just that there's billions of them being used on him with "seemingly no end" but that doesn't really prove infinite, so the sea stuff is an unquantifiable layers, while the planet one would be roughly in the billions as a low ball. So that can help
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As for the Arifureta layers, I'm not seeing the Overload stuff being stronger hax since "putting a great burden on the user is too vague to mention it directly attacking the soul. Also the lack of scans doesn't really help much on a defined layers beyond mentioning evolution magic with no proof on one being superior to the other. At best I can see like 4-5 layers here, the abstract stuff doesn't tell me much on the resistance, just that making them a concept makes them stronger, plus the fact concept magic is considered top tier in the verse doesn't really help much with the layered hax here.
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Fair enough with the Overload part, for the rest my answer would be the same than to everything
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EL_xWatcher1234x
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I thought people with strong soul have a better resistance, like Laus resisting Ehit or being able to multiply his stats ×10 this is higher than Overload and we saw in Zero that ×12 can cause death.
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It's case by case, depending on the character and ability in question. But since the layers are based on having greater paracausal power (with it being possible for somewhat comparable characters to have a layer between them), high- and top tiers would have an undefined, but immense amount of layers. Wouldn't it be fine to work out the specifics in matches, as long as the existence of layers and how they work is accepted here?
Btw, you can remove the Taken part from the OP. Taken power is also just another form of paracausal power.
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In the case of Overload the soul is put under such pressure that it would get destroyed despite being able to resist Limit Break effects in the soul, but since there is no interaction with another person I can see why people wouldn't consider it an additional layer and just an increase in potency
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I'll add it to a Paracausality explanation page for the verse at some point then. It might take a while before that happens though.
Rabbit2002
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As for the planets, raw says they are infinite/endless (無窮無盡)
As for the shrinkage, what was shrinking was not just the entire sea but also the entire Heavens Beyond Heavens which was much larger than Yang Qi's exploration ability which could cover the infinite recursion of infinite worlds within worlds. So it's basically infinite contraction, regardless of whether the ocean is infinite or not
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Yeah still not sure about the ocean size, the planets however I’m fine with infinite layers for that.
Rabbit2002
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The most abundant thing as well as filling everywhere in Heavens Beyond Heavens is Primeval God Formations, which is made up of magical laws that can lock and paralyze everything. Oceans and primal chaos are just manifestations of those God Formation (being supported by Law users in the verse means being able to spam chaos over the entire area. ). The shrinking is also the shrinking of the laws as mentioned above. So the infinite God Formations (Since HBH is much larger than baseline 2-A) can also be understood as infinite chaos oceans since the ocean is just a manifestation
For planets one:
Since Infinite layers are just Great Sage Planet-Step, which is much lower than Ninth-order Demi Immortal. And for immortals, each level is the difference between mortal with barely any abilities and resistances and Ninth order Demi Immortal (infinite layers are in between both), and I'll repeat them here. Does this count as Infinite to power of the thousands of layers (Since infinite layers were accepted, it would be infinite ^ (9/4 x 3000) aka infinite ^ 6750) ?
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That would only be infinite^6750 if someone actually withstood all the planets from all realms simultaneously, as of now it’s just infinite layers. Also I’m still not seeing the ocean stuff for infinite layers here.
Rabbit2002
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Why is one or more realms higher than infinite layers still just infinite layers even though the difference between it and infinite layers is even greater than infinite layers and baseline?
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Because you haven’t provided any scans on the bonus realms being withstood by Yang Qi, we’re going by the feats shown.
Rabbit2002
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Yang Qi's strength and cultivation are getting higher and higher depending on the number of chapters, but for the highest level of the two keys:
In the First key, he considers millions of Three-Thousandth ranked Immortal Worlds (what I calculated to be infinite^6750) as cells or control them arbitrarily, such as shrinking them down to a finite size, which both increases potency and indicates a complete degree of control over the entire shrunken thing. In planets scan it is said that only by resisting the planet's anger then he can control it (tldr: complete control means he endures all the planets of the highest Realm).
In the second Key, the entire three thousandth ranked immortal worlds is a small part of the cruiser that he has control over
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Yeah I’m still not seeing it, infinite layers is the most I’m seeing for the verse.
KingNanaya
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Ain't that the max???
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if we can use set theory for tiers then we can use set theory for layers
Rabbit2002
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As for the ocean, if infinite layers were accepted and the ocean had unquantifiable layers. Since the two overlap (ocean's baseline level is much higher than planets) then can it be unquantifiably/countlessly above infinite layers? You're fine with stair of cultivation = layers hax and baseline infinite layers are also low level in there, so it wouldn't make sense to think of infinite as the highest level
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@KingNanaya not always given fiction differs a lot in terms of their hax potency.
@Rabbit2002 the ocean only talks about the chaos and disorder at best, nothing about mind and soul hax potency that the planets have.
@Rabbit2002 the ocean only talks about the chaos and disorder at best, nothing about mind and soul hax potency that the planets have.
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So I made a blog for the DBH layers so feel free to evaluate. Happy new year!
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@Dagoth_OwO The scans for "stronger time power means resistance" doesn't really mention that, it just mentions how Chronoa is using a basic level of space time power compared to more advanced abilities that Aios uses, the scans on the user resisting their own abilities is fine though. The 3rd layer with the game footage and manga showing is a bit weird since the manga just shows Aios unimpressed more than shocked that she's casting a time spell on her, is there anything that further implies she was indeed affected and couldn't break out of it easily? For the 5th layer does Chronoa remotely use her time power unleashed state on Fu? Because her base form being used makes this a 1st layer thing at best unless further specified. For the 7th layer, do we have any evidence that Aios sealed away Dogidogi? That would help with the layer rather than some assumptions here. 9 and 10 is too vague, especially when restoring the multiverse doesn't automatically mean superior power unless stated that Mechi couldn't be able to do anything about it. The rest looks fine.
Rabbit2002
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Fortunately, Yang Qi's mind is already Primal-chaos, so yes it is also chaos hax potency
Jozaysmith?
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Btw wanted to ask if layered CM1 can be like this
Exist as the source of something><there's another being who's existence is the reason for your CM1<there's another being again who engineered all of that as well
Exist as the source of something><there's another being who's existence is the reason for your CM1<there's another being again who engineered all of that as well
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