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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation

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Deceived3596 said:
I have added the requested changes.

@AlphaOmegaV1 Can you provide further reason as to why the Final Fantasy characters should have the 3rd or 2nd placement for 5-C?
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Hey there. I'm sorry I never got notified of your message. Every magic spell they can produce now have Type 2 Concept Manip, Space-Time, Law and Subjective Reality hax which #4-6 have no answer for, they now have passive protective Fate Manipulation to prevent death/permanent incap from a deity that exists outside of the range of any of the 5-C's, which can work on Type 4 Acasuals. Being able to lower everyone's resistances and outright negate elemental resistance with their summon. None of the 5-C's on the list really have an answer for that. Most importantly their new physiology. While the Chaos stuff won't come into play, the HGR, Type 4 Acausality, Type 3 NEP, AE2, and various immortalities will all play a factor in matches involving this key. None of the other 5-C's from what I've read can even interact with the Heart and Soul. Let alone kill it.
 
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Basically only characters who don't have higher-dimensional abilities or stats then their dimensional level (I.E. a 10D character can't have 11D hax, for example). Even if said stuff is practically useless. This also includes protection from a higher dimensional being, range and resistances. Only the base stats are considered (I.E. if a character has a High 3-A technique but is only 9-A by itself, then the character will only count for 9-A and not for High 3-A).

Also, I removed characters I could tell at a glance were no longer a member of the tier they were listed under.

Also also, I've added a section with the versus threads to decide certain placements at the very bottom of the list. So if you make one please link it here.

Tier 1-A:

1. The Goddess of The Manifold

2. Characters from Megami Tensei

3. Characters from Warhammer 40,000

4. MSPA Reader

5. Characters from Ergenverse

6. Lu Zhiyu

7. Yogiri Takatou

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 1-A:

1. Characters from A Wild Last Boss Appeared

2. Characters from Marvel Comics

3. Ultimate Extermination God

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 1-B:
1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 1-B:

1. Gods (Magi)

2. Touichirou

3. The Dreaming Ones

4. Characters from Transformers

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 1-C:

1. Characters from Doctor Who (such as The Six-Fold God) /Mother Eater

2. Characters from Gurren Lagann (Verse)

3. Characters from To Aru Majutsu No Index (High Priest mainly)

4. Sun Wukong

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 1-C:

1. Shallow Vernal

2. Characters from Nasuverse

3. Characters from Kamen Rider

4. Ji Ning

5. Characters from DC Comics (Monitor-Mind The Overvoid and The Presence)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 1-C:

1. Characters from Nasuverse

2. Yang Qi / Characters from Xenoblade (Z, Alpha and Alvis)

3. Sora

4. Xue Ying

5. Arceus (Speed Equal) / Makina (Speed Equal) / Knives (Speed Unequal)

6. Characters from Marvel Comics

7. Nyanlathotep

8. Deadline

9. K.E.V.I.N.

10.

Tier 2-A:

1. Characters from Dragon Talisman (ChenQi and Yang Qi)

2. Characters from Puella Magi Verse

3. Characters from Final Fantasy / Arale Norimaki

4. Characters from Pokémon

5. Wei Huo

6. Characters from Dragon Ball Heroes

7. Characters from Sonic the Hedgehog

8. Ainchase Ishmael

9. Characters from Supernatural (Jack Kline, God, and The Shadow)

10.

Tier 2-B:

1. Characters from Pokémon / Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel) / Gu Chensha

2. Characters from Coiling Dragon

3. Ainchase Ishmael (Herrscher Path)

4. Characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (The End, Solaris (Game) and Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)) / Characters from EarthBound

5. Wei Huo

6. Dormammu

7. Chara

8. Characters from Cookie Run (Timekeeper Cookie and Dark Enchantress Cookie)

9.

10.

Tier 2-C:

1. Characters from Castlevania

2. Orcus and Demogorgon

3. The Creator

4. Characters from Dr. Slump (Arale Norimaki and Gatchan)

5. Characters from Destiny / Characters from Touhou Project (Junko, Yukari Yakumo and Reimu Hakurei)

6. Kamen Rider Saber

7. Characters from Yu-Gi-Oh! (Mainly Yubel but including The Egyptian Gods)

8. Characters from Danny Phantom (The Universe)

9.

10.

Tier Low 2-C:

1. Sertrous

2. Characters from Destiny

3. Dracula

4. Parca

5. Medea Pideth Machina (Web Novel) / Mori Dan / Veldora Tempest (Web Novel)

6. Ecang

7. Giygas

8. Koriel Number 12

9. Arata

10. Yorman

Tier High 3-A:

1. Fudo Myo-o

2. Disembodied Thought

3. Characters from Pokémon

4. Godcat

5. Kurzgesagt Narrator

6. Monica Pinkston

7. Characters from Animator vs. Animation

8. Characters from W.I.T.C.H. (Irma Lair, Taranee Cook, Corneila Hail, and Hay Lin)

9.

10.

Tier 3-A:

1. Chen Qi (Dragon Talisman)

2. Satan (Bastard!!)

3. Every Man

4. Najimi Ajimu

5. Arishem

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 3-B:

1. Zhong Yue

2. Characters from Ergenverse (Saint-Emperor and Bai Xiaochun)

3. Uriel (Bastard!!)

4. Overclocked Bender

5. Characters from Nipponverse

6. Marina Cannonvale

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 3-C:

1. Characters from Bastard!!

2. Odin (Fortissimo)

3. The White Queen (Blood Sign)

4. Characters from Saint Seiya

5. SpongeBob SquarePants

6. Characters from Pokemon (Yveltal, Victini and Mewtwo)

7. Dimentio

8. Celestials

9.

10.

Tier 4-A:

1. Li Qiye

2. Characters from Epic Battle Fantasy (Mainly Godcat and Akron)

3. Characters from The God of High School (Mujin Park and 666: Satan)

4. SpongeBob SquarePants

5. Announcer (Battle for Dream island)

6. Evil Computer Supreme

7. Garou

8. Lee Geon

9.

10.

Tier 4-B:

1. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Gongsun Wan'er)

2. The White Queen (Blood Sign)

3. Balancer

4. Zhong Yue

5. Ji Ning

6. Fudo Myo-o

7. Orloff

8. Xiao Hei

9. Mega Man

10.

Tier High 4-C

1. Characters from Bastard!!

2. Balancer

3. Characters from Ergenverse

4. Ji Ning

5. Characters from Yu-Gi-Oh!

6. Characters from Bleach (Ichigo Kurosaki and Sosuke Aizen)

7. Garou

8.

9.

10.

Tier 4-C:

1. Uriel (Bastard!!)

2. Nono

3. Teridax

4. Ichigo Kurosaki

5. Setsuno

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier Low 4-C:

1. Dark Samus

2. Characters from Enter the Gungeon

3. Sosuke Aizen

4. HIM

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 5-A:

1. Du Tian

2. Xue Ying

3. Pink Panther

4. Teridax

5. Characters from Axe Cop (Verse)

6. Kawahira

7. Dante (Marvel vs. Capcom)

8.

9.

10.

Tier 5-A:

1. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Wang Lin)

2. Zeref

3. Xue Ying

4. Characters from Weakest Mage

5. Ata

6. Yhwach

7. Characters from Katekyo Hitman Reborn

8. Woody Woodpecker

9. Garou

10. World Leader

Tier 5-B:

1. Characters from Bastard!!

2. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Gongsun Wan'er)

3. Odin (Fortissimo)

4. Meng Chuan / Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel)

5. Ata

6. Characters from D.Gray-Man (Allen Walker and The Millennium Earl)

7. Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai

8. Characters from World of Warcraft (Illidan Stormrage and Arthas Menethil)

9. Saika Kuozaki

10. Ada (Boruto)

Tier Low 5-B:

1. Rei Ayanami / Adam (Evangelion)

2. Mummy the Resurrection

3. Characters from Ergenverse (Bai Xiaochun and Ji Mo)

4. QiQi

5. Ji Ning

6. Nessie

7. Kenpachi Zaraki

8. Toneri Ōtsutsuki

9.

10.

Tier 5-C:

1. Kagami

2. Characters from Ergenverse

3. Characters from Final Fantasy XIII

4. Characters from Arifureta

5. Ata / Iihiko Shishime

6. Kenshiro

7. Characters from Yuki Yuna is a Hero

8.

9.

10.

Tier High 6-A:

1. Chen Qi (Dragon Talisman)

2. Golden King

3. Zhong Yue

4. Characters from Ergenverse

5. Ji Ning

6. Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel)

7. Lille Barro / Adam (Evangelion)

8. Eternatus

9. Characters from Saint Seiya (Eagle Marin, Ophiuchus Shaina, and Perseus Algol)

10. Characters from Touhou (Mainly Reisen)

Tier 6-A:

1. Ehitorujue

2. Diablo (Light Novel)

3. Characters from Ergenverse

4. Kidou En

5. Tendou Harima

6. Gremmy Thourmeaux

7. Characters from Nanatsu no Taizai (Supreme Deity, Demon King and Meliodas)

8. Arthas Menethil

9. Waddle Dee

10.

Tier High 6-B:

1. Characters from Ergenverse (mostly Gongsun Wan'er)

2. Ehitorujue

3. Alte

4. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

5. Unleashed True Self Mode Baam

6. Characters from Toriko (Starjun and Brunch)

7. Obito Uchiha

8.

9.

10.

Tier 6-B:

1. Yomoji Shinsei

2. Characters from Arifureta

3. Characters from Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu

4. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

5. Nessie

6. Characters from Bleach

7. Calyrex

8. Characters from Mob Psycho (Keiji Mogami and Toichiro Suzuki)

9. Characters from Black Clover (Zagred, Yami Sukehiro and Morris Libardirt)

10. Royal Hypno-Flower

Tier Low 6-B:

1. Characters from Arifureta

2. Characters from D.Gray-Man (Road Kamelot and Tyki Mikk)

3. Limbo

4. Ark

5. Ji Ning

6. Characters from Saint Seiya

7. Kamen Rider Zero-One

8. Oltura

9. Characters from Highschool DxD (Issei, Vali and Lucifer)

10. Khi'zar Kha'jul

Tier High 6-C:

1. Ji Ning

2. Ard

3. Kamen Rider Ark-Zero

4. Characters from Bleach

5. Sousei no Onmyouji (Rokuro Enmadou, Sakanashi and Benio Enmado)

6. Bebe

7. The Player (Shinobi Strikers)

8. Satella

9. Shuna

10. Chiyo (Toriko)

Tier 6-C:

1. Characters from Puella Magi Verse (Mami Tomoe and Alina Gray)

2. Li Qiye

3. Mephisto

4. Xue Ying

5. Characters from To Aru Majutsu No Index (Kakine Teitoku and Gabriel)

6. Characters from Arifureta (Speed Equalized) / Nergal (Speed Unequalized)

7. Characters from Saint Seiya

8. Characters from Re: Zero (Reinhard van Astrea and Reid Astrea)

9. Alus Reigin

10. Obito Uchiha

Tier High 7-A:

1. Han

2. Zhong Yue

3. Characters from Arifureta

4. The Great Warlock

5. Cole MacGrath (Evil Karma)

6. Nergal

7. The Second Christ

8. Kurumi Tokisaki

9. Sasuke Uchiha

10.

Tier 7-A:

1. Kumoko

2. Han Jee-Han

3. Characters from Arifureta

4. Characters from Death Mage

5. Geist Grace

6. Zhong Yue

7. Trafalgar Law

8. Arthas Menethil

9. Itachi Uchiha

10. Characters from Highschool DxD (Issei, Rias and Vali)

Tier 7-B:

1. Grimm=Grimm

2. Diablo (Web Novel)

3. Characters from Touhou (mainly Yoshika Miyako)

4. Characters from Arifureta (Speed Equal) / Characters from Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry (Speed Unequal)

5. Honjou Masayuki (Web Novel)

6. The Player (Pixel Gun 3D)

7. Kakine Teitoku

8. Alan

9. Brunhild Schild

10.

Tier Low 7-B:

1. Strahd von Zarovich

2. Theodore Miller

3. Characters from Godspeed (Speed Equal) / Giygas (Speed Unequalized)

4. Saten

5. Ancient Lich King (Summoners War)

6. Characters from Undead Unluck (Mr. Billy and Seal)

7. Characters from Pokémon

8. Black Fire

9. World Gobbler

10.

Tier High 7-C:

1. Han Jee-Han

2. Fran (with Master (Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita)) (Speed Equalized) / Toujou Basara (Speed Unequalized)

3. Tao Hua

4. Brunhild Schild

5. Kusuo Saiki

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 7-C:

1. Characters from Lord of the Mysteries (Klein and Amon)

2. Beiloune

3. Eshita Inana

4. Characters from Bleach (Yumichika Ayasegawa, Izuru Kira and Rukia Kuchiki)

5. The Hunter / Characters from Fray (Magpie and Legion)

6. Cid

7. Crocodile (Speed Unequalized) \ Hei (Speed Equalized)

8. Ali

9.

10.

Tier Low 7-C:

1. Meng Chuan

2. Sacred Eclipse / Cat Boy

3. Natsumi

4. Characters from D.Gray-Man (Allen Walker and Yu Kanda)

5. Alex Mercer

6. Characters from Marvel Cinematic Universe

7. Henry Stickmin

8.

9.

10.

Tier 8-A:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Yagnoloth, Barbed Devil, Stone Golem)

2. Characters from Owari no Chronicle (Typhon and Susamikado)

3. The Hunter

4. Henry Stickman

5. Sacred Eclipse

6. Shizuku Yaegashi

7. Han Jee-Han / Ikki Kurogane

8. Crowfather

9. Junko

10. Characters from I Reincarnated For Nothing (Arpe and Maetel)

Tier 8-B:

1. Characters from Medaka Box (Iihiko, Medaka and Kumagawa)

2. Endou Kousuke

3. Shigara Masami

4. Janus (Nightmares of Alamir)

5. Characters from Touhou

6. The Sorrow

7. Qin Mu

8. Isaac

9. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Yagnoloth, Barbed Devil, Stone Golem)

10. Dosu Kinuta

Tier High 8-C:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Yagnoloth, Barbed Devil, Stone Golem)

2. Henry Stickmin (Speed Equalized) \ Characters from Kral Şakir (Speed Unequalized)

3. Bunny

4. Choi Yoon-seok

5. Macht

6. Anri

7. Johnny Test

8. F (Alphabet)

9. Mardicus

10.

Tier 8-C:

1. Characters from What a Beautiful Series (Such as Blood Tree, Dragon & Apondance Lemure Lemure)

2. Trazyn the Infinite

3. Characters from Nuclear Throne

4. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Deva, Bebilith, Hydroloth and Night Hag)

5. Ganondorf

6. Shana

7. Characters from Marvel Cinematic Universe

8. Gorgon

9. Gleadr

10. Fushi

Tier 9-A:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Such as Imp)

2. Aiko Hatayama

3. Ainz Ooal Gown

4. Isaac

5. Snatcher

6. Haruna (Arpeggio of Blue Steel) (Speed Unequalized) \ Jean Grey (Fox: Post-Retcon) (Speed Equalized)

7. Hachimaru

8. Corvo Attano

9. Mardicus

10. Tricky The Clown

Tier 9-B:

1. Klein Moretti

2. Hatou Manabu

3. Characters from What a Beautiful Series (Blood Tree, Wendigo, Bandersnatch & Zahhak) / Slappy (Books)

4. Aburatori

5. Characters from Owari no Chronicle

6. Aiko Hatayama

7. Giggles

8. The Radiance

9. Morgan Yu

10. Henry Stickmin

Tier 9-C:

1. Protagonist-kun

2. Shiba Tatsuya

3. Eztli-Tenoch

4. Tamamo (High School Inari Tamamo-chan!)

5. Characters from Lord of the Mysteries

6. Kyousuke

7. Oogie Boogie

8.

9.

10.

Tier 10-A:

1. Characters from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (mainly Tooru & Rohan)

2. Jean Grey

3. Sheville Warhand

4. Sabrina Spellman

5. Subaru Natsuki

6. Characters from Lord of the Mysteries

7. Jean Grey (Post-Retcon)

8. Ibzan

9.

10.

Tier 10-B:

1. Characters from What a Beautiful Series

2. Higashikawa Mamoru

3. Zach Noveda

4. Yukio Hans Vorarlberna

5. Shichinin Misaki

6. Shinobu Oshino

7. Akane Kiryu

8. Hinata Tachibana

9. Teruhashi

10. Jean Grey (Pre-Retcon)

Tier 10-C:

1. Sōya Azashiro

2. Wanambi

3. Characters from SCP Foundation (SCP-3043 and SCP-1436)

4. Adeleine

5.The Grool (Goosebumps)

6. Alden Tate

7. Vince (Voodoo Vince)

8.

9.

10.

Tier 11-A:

1. SCP-3450

2. Soul Sucking Death Worm

3. Characters from Flatland (Universe)

4. Little Circle

5. Mister Mxyzptlk (Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade)

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

Tier 11-B:

1. King of Lineland

2. Queens of Lineland

3. Sandman (SCP)

Tier 11-C:

1. Monarch of Pointland

2. Caroline (SCP)
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Woody Woodpecker has been updated to 4-C.

So he has to be removed from the 5-A list.

And I nominate him for an open 4-C slot, possibly filling Setsuno's spot, but I'm not in the mood to VS or argue right now. So it's up to you to decide Deceived.
 
Several of the 5-C Yuki Yuna character's profiles says they can't be killed by anything less then universe-level; wouldn't this be considered a Smurf defense?
 
I have made the requested changes.

I added Trafalgar Law to a free placement in High 7-A

I also removed the Needless characters as they're severely out-of-date and seemingly don't have anymore active supporters for the verse.
 
I believe that various characters from Avatar can take the place of the Yuki Yuna characters in 5-C. Aang and Korra are significantly faster than the former, and although they have immortality, they don't resist power nullification. Raava and Vaatu would also be included because as spirits, they can fuse with their enemy and forcibly transform them.
 
Don't Yuki yuuna characters have wards against affliction pain and stuff due to the tree?
Iirc they are not allowed to die to other means and their neopets would protect them even from hax it has shown to protect them from

(I didnt check profile but i kno the series wil check later feel free to correct)
 
should i make a lee geon vs garou match on 4-A
coz judging by the profiles it looks like lee clusterstomps garou
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Don't Yuki yuuna characters have wards against affliction pain and stuff due to the tree?
Iirc they are not allowed to die to other means and their neopets would protect them even from hax it has shown to protect them from

(I didnt check profile but i kno the series wil check later feel free to correct)
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"Invulnerability to damage and Immortality (Type 8) through her fairies (As the Fairies are parts of Shinju, who is a Universe Tier God, and they share its characteristics, they prevent Heroes from getting hurt or killed by anything below Universe level, Reliant on Shinju),[2][3] Explosion Manipulation (through her katanas), Resistance to cold, ice, Black Holes and Gravity[4]"

That's what each of their profiles says. Nothing regarding power nullification.
 
Robo432343 said:
it was agreed upon here that itachi wins against law for 7-a
vsbattles.com

Trafalgar Law vs Itachi Uchiha

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Trafalgar_Law vs https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Itachi_Uchiha Both 7-A SBA otherwise Speed Equal
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
or do i have to wait longer
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You don't really need to wait to suggest the match results here unless the debate was still going strong but if it's a clear winner then there shouldn't be an issue.
 
BrackishBrineBroth said:
I believe that various characters from Avatar can take the place of the Yuki Yuna characters in 5-C. Aang and Korra are significantly faster than the former, and although they have immortality, they don't resist power nullification. Raava and Vaatu would also be included because as spirits, they can fuse with their enemy and forcibly transform them.
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When looking at Aang, I find this regarding his power null:
Power Nullification with Energybending (Can take away a person's ability to Bend elements)

If I'm reading this right, the power null affects elemental abilities, not every kind of supernatural ability. Aang can take away the bending ability from others because he knows that they have it. Out of the 5-C Yuki Yuna characters, only 1 uses an element as a supplement to her attacks.
Even if we assume Aang's power null affects more than just elements, the YY girls draw their powers and weapons directly from Shinju, their God, with the little fairy creatures serving as intermediairies and shields. The abilities of the girls aren't technically theirs, but Shinju's, and the girls draw their power from him. What Aang would have to power null is the power of Shinju itself. Aang would have to take away Shinju's ability to bless and bestow powers upon the girls, which I'm not sure he can because Shinju isn't directly present.
I genuinely don't know if the fairies can be power-nulled or not, or if Aang's type of power null would even work on them. But even assuming they somehow can, Shinju can re-bestow powers upon the YY girls.
 
Shinju only bestows their power when they transform. (Well we know the fairies are there mostly to stop them from dying or going into harms way and not grant them stuff)
So is being taken away equivalent to returning back to their human form They could transform back again but then again iirc is pretty taxing, they could go with Mankai if they want to to gain a sudden boost in exchange for having disabilities for a while irl

idk how long it takes for Aang to take away bending since I've only seen the ending when he was young. and IIRC it took some time and can even backfire but if his adult self can do it faster and doesn't backfire anymore then i'd let it.
also iirc it also need direct contact unless that also changed in his adult key
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
idk how long it takes for Aang to take away bending since I've only seen the ending when he was young. and IIRC it took some time and can even backfire but if his adult self can do it faster and doesn't backfire anymore then i'd let it.
also iirc it also need direct contact unless that also changed in his adult key
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When he did it as an adult it was quicker, and it still requires contact. As for whether it can backfire I'm not sure; there wasn't a dramatic light show like there was when he was a kid so I'm inclined to think there was no danger to him after he did it the first time.
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Shinju only bestows their power when they transform. (Well we know the fairies are there mostly to stop them from dying or going into harms way and not grant them stuff)
So is being taken away equivalent to returning back to their human form They could transform back again but then again iirc is pretty taxing, they could go with Mankai if they want to to gain a sudden boost in exchange for having disabilities for a while irl

idk how long it takes for Aang to take away bending since I've only seen the ending when he was young. and IIRC it took some time and can even backfire but if his adult self can do it faster and doesn't backfire anymore then i'd let it.
also iirc it also need direct contact unless that also changed in his adult key
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The one constant variable are the fairies. Even when the girls are in human form, the fairies are still present and will protect them from any harm. In that sense, Shinju's power is always present around the girls. But yes, Shinju bestows the energy needed to transform to the girls, when they want to transform.
As for transforming into Mankai form, they do it by borrowing energy from Shinju. Spamming Mankai transformations is taxing, but absolutely possible (Sonoko and Karin have done it).
The potential issue I see - and what I don't get right now - is the interaction between the YY girls' ability to transform and Aang/Korra's power null. A YY girl transforming into and staying in Mankai form isn't an elemental power. Can Aang power-null abilities beyond element bending?
 
WTF why are Supernatural characters so low? They literally have Transduality type 2, Plot manipulation, conceptual manipulation type 1 (And abstract existence type 1 based on concept type 1), NEP nature 2, range above baseline 2-A and passive absorption ?
 
Rabbit2002 said:
WTF why are Supernatural characters so low? They literally have Transduality type 2, Plot manipulation, conceptual manipulation type 1 (And abstract existence type 1 based on concept type 1), NEP nature 2, range above baseline 2-A and passive absorption ?
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i just realized they probably incon with puella magi verse coz its acausality type 5 vs nep and td type 2
unless plot hax bypasses acausality type 5
 
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