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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation
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Soul Crush iirc.
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interesting
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Yes, it was Soul Crush since Jorgen couldn't do anything against Soul Crush, he is also there in part because of the promised future crt to soul crush that still don't happen.
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Huh, then they should take it. paralysis and fear are resisted hard. Last I checked, potency was at hundreds of souls against Que's and Wang Lin's 4 layers above "tens of thousands" resistance. Add their Divine Sense and they should handle it.
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Reiatsu Crush.
No he isn't? that has nothing to do with his placement at that tier?
I don't believe we use the amount of souls as potency anymore given I've ask a similar question regarding the amount of souls and it's potency with Soul Manipulation and was told by Everything that the amount of Souls don't matter.
Kenpachi also has 4 layers of potency regarding most of his Reiatsu Crush's abilities bare-minimum so they could possibly bypass those resistances.
Kenpachi also has these abilities with his Reiatsu in this Key as well:
"Passive Illusion Creation and Pain Manipulation (Kenpachi’s Reiatsu is stated to put people under illusions which feel like “You were being tripped over a mountain of Needles"), Passive Deconstruction (Kenpachi’s Reiatsu is stated to causes Reishi to burn and crumble away), Passive Spatial Manipulation (Kenpachi’s Reiatsu causes the walls of the Garganta to crack)"
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This is in reference to a thread suggesting this that was never fully concluded. Like, if you can point me where "numbers no longer matter", I'd be thankful.
4 layers is above the "tens of thousands" feat. Overall he has 7-8 layers starting from baseline.
Illusions and pain are resisted ala Divine Sense (As in, cultivators, who can fight through crushed bones and ruptured internal organs are debilitated pain). Never mind how cultivators can take control of the internal spiritual energy of opponents passively.
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Yeah, it is since it was said several times how you will give several abilities, range and layers to SC, the match with Commissioner R was a prime example, how the several post in the old thread when it was talked about the future potency of SC and things like that, but anyways.
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Sure let me grab my thread and the thread that changed Soul Manipulation/Mind Manipulation potency's
Kenpachi's scales above "Tens of thousands" as well given he can RC Menos Grande and Low Ranking Espada.
Then he could possibly resist the hax's but we'll have to wait and see when i grab the threads if he actually does or not.
Alright.
Kenpachi could possibly counter-act that with his Reiatsu given Reiatsu has inherent powernull properties behind it.
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That has nothing to do with Kenpachi's placement within this thread.
Jorgen literally has no resistances towards Soul Manipulation so theirs no need for layers nor other hax's.
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I mean, in Jorgen specific case that's indeed the case (though still would needed the crt to add them the kilometers range since without that Jorgen don't die the moment the fight begin but anyways), with the other member of the list however is different, for example:
Kenpachi don't have powernull, Ichigo also don't have it, even after see the profiles of all the captains the only ones that have powernull are Mayuri Kurotsuchi and Tōshirō Hitsugaya with specific techniques, the only exception is Aizen that say is able to null 'abilities of weaker being with his Reiatsu'. So this is another power claimed to have SC that isn't in the profiles and thus would be needed to be added in a future crt.
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That thread ended by just agreeing to use both. You can even see that the changes were applied to the mind manipulation and hax pages and it basically just says to judge things with context, not that numbers were discarded.
So, you'd have to prove that the soul pressure acting on an area is is stronger based on more numbers before using it. That's the case for Ergenverse, I dunno about Bleach.
Is there a thread or scan with this?
He doesn't have power null listed and there's layers on top of it for Er Gen as well.
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High 1-A Plot Manipulation and Reality Warping that can't be nulled by The Mage.
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Wouldn't it? What would stop it being nullified by the Mages, they have the potency for it.
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High 1-A? Even then it is passive it would prevent it power null if it isn’t also passive.
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They've been mostly discarded but not completely discarded so i was wrong.
It isn't in Bleach's case but how would that even work? like in Bleach's and Ergen's cases they both have layers but one states that the amount of Souls is what grants that potency to bypass those layers while one doesn't. Would Ergen's just be inherently higher or would Bleach need to have higher layers to bypass those stated numbers?
There's a scan let me grab it.
He should and i'm about to create a thread to grants all Bleach Characters that use Reiatsu combat-applicably can powernull abilities through it.
Then he should take the spot then.
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Mage's powernull only go up to 1-A+ correct? that's what i've been told and seen through multiple threads with The Mage.
Yes? it bends the Narrative which is a baseline High 1-A structure? The powernull could be passive it wouldn't matter since it can't powernull High 1-A stuff (That i know of).
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I mean, if it isn't in Bleach's case then Er Gen should take it.
Whether a power can overcome a resistance against it based on certain feats has to be determined by comparing the various factors at play. For example, a resistance can be overcome by Mind Manipulation with higher potency in any factor, if the resistance is equal, less or unknown in all other factors.
From the hax page.
Indeed it is.
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Not for over a year (I think, what is time?). Not since the big changes.
The Mage's Quiet (that's the Disbelief abilities) scale to the Tellurian, which is very high into High 1-A at the moment, not 1-A+.
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Alright what characters are being nominated? is it only Wang and Song? or are there others?
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Is there a thread that states this or something? it would greatly help my decision regarding these placements.
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Orcus is not a god in this key, so his hax cap 2-A.
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Thanks for the thread but it doesn't really answer my original question. How does Mage's disbelief scale to the Tellurian in anyway? (Also sorry for taking long to respond, had IRL stuff to deal with)
Alright then he'll take Cat Lord's position until future threads are made to move up his placement.
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Cat lord is a god
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Shouldn't he share the placement Venca (And every other God) Then?
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I don't know he is a lesser God I don't know they have all magic.
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They’ve always scaled to the Tellurian, Marauders are described as the “Non-existent clap which shakes all creation”.
And many of their magics affect the Tellurian, like Life 9, where their lives are bound to the Tellurian, a bond which cannot be broken, their Pattern (Platonic concept which keeps you alive) cannot be destroyed and automatically heals all damage.
or Entropy 9, where they control the Fate of all things, beings and things (objects, places etc.).
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Orcus is a God in all his keys. It’s just that some of his keys are his aspects/avatars.
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Oh is that so? my mistake then.
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Then Mage will get the 1st spot's of 10-B, 10-A and 9-A given Udlmaster's reasoning.
Should Orcus take the same spot as Venca via being a god? and such can use 1-A shit which is Venca's Main (I presume) Win-Con?
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Can we get a source for orcus always being a god isn't that one of his main goals.
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no vecna is stronger
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also um. can captain be put up to jorgen. he basically summons Bahamut on life and death battles
and even a copy of bahamut exudes the original's aura which is
madness manip type 3 from the sound of his wings
passive deconstruction
The telepathic voice that causes mind manip which bypasses Captain's resistance
powernull and power seal
curse and healing neg
and if people did survive that. Baha performs stronger hax
what does jorgen starts with anyway
and even a copy of bahamut exudes the original's aura which is
madness manip type 3 from the sound of his wings
passive deconstruction
The telepathic voice that causes mind manip which bypasses Captain's resistance
powernull and power seal
curse and healing neg
and if people did survive that. Baha performs stronger hax
what does jorgen starts with anyway
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IIRC, His goal isn't to be a God, it's to be THE God. Demon Lords are equals with Lesser Gods, so he's always there.
We saw what he wanted to do when he got the Last Word and just went on a killing spree, wanting to kill all the other Gods, specifically the Greater Gods.
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While equal, that doesn't mean they have the same things as gods. Or at least, I don't remember a source that suggests demon lords have access to every spell in the same way Gods have.
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