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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

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ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Doesn't matter, he has NEP that Caliborn can't do anything against, it will be a stalemate.
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You're telling me Gao just ends up in stalemate with Caliborn just because NEP? To that I say no, that is not even how it works as Caliborn's passive hax (which basically says "screw you I win" is like, 1 transcendence above Gao's 1-A hax. In addition, Masterpiece Caliborn who is also 2-A can seal and rewrite powers, even John Egbert who had 1 transcendence above baseline 1-A teleportation couldn't escape.

Gao's NEP covering stuff on a narrative level also means nothing when Caliborn can neg it since his stuff is on a way better level. (Baseline Plot resistance VS 1 Transcendence above baseline Plot hax)
 
NEP asks to list several lacking aspects in the first place for a reason, for a reason it's usually just incorporeality with extra steps.
Meaning that merely having it doesn't inherently makes someone immune to all abilities.

On that note NEP is limited by dimensionality, so someone qualitatively superior can just nuke lol
 
Bobsican said:
On that note NEP is limited by dimensionality, so someone qualitatively superior can just nuke lol
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A consequence of that is that feats or special reasoning are required for a character with this ability to survive the complete erasure of their plane of existence, as one needs to confirm that they are able to still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.
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Gao Chuan has such feats, therefor it doesn't matter.
 
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FoxySonicMaster108 said:
You're telling me Gao just ends up in stalemate with Caliborn just because NEP? To that I say no, that is not even how it works as Caliborn's passive hax (which basically says "screw you I win" is like, 1 transcendence above Gao's 1-A hax. In addition, Masterpiece Caliborn who is also 2-A can seal and rewrite powers, even John Egbert who had 1 transcendence above baseline 1-A teleportation couldn't escape.

Gao's NEP covering stuff on a narrative level also means nothing when Caliborn can neg it since his stuff is on a way better level. (Baseline Plot resistance VS 1 Transcendence above baseline Plot hax)
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This isn't a power issue, it's a target issue. You can have a nuke but it doesn't mean anything if you have nothing to hit with it. No amount of raw power is going to let you interact with nothing.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
This isn't a power issue, it's a target issue. You can have a nuke but it doesn't mean anything if you have nothing to hit with it. No amount of raw power is going to let you interact with nothing.
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I don't think that's the best example, that's a nuke, which isn't hax at all, just raw power. The point I'm trying to make is, NEP straight up doesn't matter when Caliborn's passive hax is on a FAR higher level then Gao's NEP, since it just allows Caliborn to say "screw you I win", and every single outcome is part of his being. Outcomes where he could win. Because this God Tier/Masterpiece Caliborn, he has active control to just make Gao lose.
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
I don't think that's the best example, that's a nuke, which isn't hax at all, just raw power. The point I'm trying to make is, NEP straight up doesn't matter when Caliborn's passive hax is on a FAR higher level then Gao's NEP, since it just allows Caliborn to say "screw you I win", and every single outcome is part of his being. Outcomes where he could win. Because this God Tier/Masterpiece Caliborn, he has active control to just make Gao lose.
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Gao Chuan is not a part of outcomes, his fate is nothing, his possibilities are nothing, and his narrative is nothing, there is nothing to influence, nothing to win against, Caliborn wouldn't even know he exists. Having higher level hax does not mean his nothingness is suddenly something, there is nothing there, he is even more non-existent than non-existence.

There is a reason why NEP is one of the best powers. Resistances can be overpowered cause they are linked to tier, but NEP is immunity. It doesn't matter how high-tiered your soul hax is, you can't soul hax a rock. It doesn't matter how high your Plot Manip is, you can't Plot Hax "No Plot". (Of course, this is fiction so technically a character could be written to Soul Hax a rock.)
 
NEP can be overpowered by destroying the target's plane of existence, but even then Gao Chuan survived when all 1-A stuff in the verse got nuked.
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
You're telling me Gao just ends up in stalemate with Caliborn just because NEP? To that I say no, that is not even how it works as Caliborn's passive hax (which basically says "screw you I win" is like, 1 transcendence above Gao's 1-A hax. In addition, Masterpiece Caliborn who is also 2-A can seal and rewrite powers, even John Egbert who had 1 transcendence above baseline 1-A teleportation couldn't escape.

Gao's NEP covering stuff on a narrative level also means nothing when Caliborn can neg it since his stuff is on a way better level. (Baseline Plot resistance VS 1 Transcendence above baseline Plot hax)
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That isn't how NEP works, NEP doesn't care about dimensionality, because it is about something you lack altogether, it is like saying just because you soul haxed someone that is 1-A means you can soul hax a rock, it just isn't true.
Bobsican said:
NEP asks to list several lacking aspects in the first place for a reason, for a reason it's usually just incorporeality with extra steps.
Meaning that merely having it doesn't inherently makes someone immune to all abilities.

On that note NEP is limited by dimensionality, so someone qualitatively superior can just nuke lol
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Yeah ofc, but in the scenario that someone actually lacks the aspect in question then they are immune to said hax unless a character has a feat of affecting something that lacks said aspect with a relevant hax

No, it isn't, I don't understand how people keep getting this misconception. The "limitation" on NEP isn't that it is bound by dimensionality, the limitation is that since a character with NEP is still a character, unless they have shown capable, they are unable to act within a literal absence of the cosmological features of their reality such as space and time, and would get incapped and eventually lose under SBA due to that. But guess what, Caliborn's haxes aren't actually like that, they are not actively destructive in nature, which means that no he cannot actually destroy reality in the way necessary to incap, the only thing close to being able to do that is his unraveling of reality, but that either just doesn't come into play here, or would only erase the current timeline, which can just be ignored by Gao.
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
I don't think that's the best example, that's a nuke, which isn't hax at all, just raw power. The point I'm trying to make is, NEP straight up doesn't matter when Caliborn's passive hax is on a FAR higher level then Gao's NEP, since it just allows Caliborn to say "screw you I win", and every single outcome is part of his being. Outcomes where he could win. Because this God Tier/Masterpiece Caliborn, he has active control to just make Gao lose.
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Doesn't matter, it's like trying to touch or rewrite the text on a hole in a page, you just can't.
 
Bobsican said:
On that note NEP is limited by dimensionality, so someone qualitatively superior can just nuke lol
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This both correct and incorrect.

Their are limited to it in a way that someone destroying their entire dimensional plane wouldn't meant they can exist.
But not in a way that someone can interact with them.

Althought as stated. Someone needs to provide all the aspect he lacks as one with nep type 2 and aspect type 1-3 wouldn't suddenly be immune to plot hax as those aspect does not show nonexistence of ones own plot. Unless someone somehow is nonexistence on all aspect type and also has feat of existing even without dimensional plane would allow such to actually incap.

Also in regards to higher plane = stronger and ignore system. Unlike transduality, and causality which are system a character doesn't show any form of such system thus lacking aspect so it wouldn't really matter which level of existence the system it has if one inherently lacks it they cannot affect it unless one has feats that allow oneself to actually impose some level of existence upon said NEp type 2 thus allowing an interaction
 
Just a passing remark, I just realized how unused 11-B is. Like everything else is super viable to regular scaling. 11-C is for the ultra-weak characters writers make, 2d characters are common enough for 11-A, and tiers 10 and above are ultra common. A specifically 1-dimensional character is pretty uncommon (probably because it is the least viable to build a story around and so writers wouldn't make them most of the time), I think it is at least the least common tier on the wiki with only like a single digit character amount.
 
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demonwarrior2266 said:
Just a passing remark, I just realized how unused 11-B is. Like everything else is super viable to regular scaling. 11-C is for the ultra-weak characters writers make, 2d characters are common enough for 11-A, and tiers 10 and above are ultra common. A specifically 1-dimensional character is pretty uncommon (probably because it is the least viable to build a story around and so writers wouldn't make them most of the time), I think it is at least the least common tier on the wiki with only like a single digit character amount.
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Those tiers would be far more common if reality equalization wasn't a thing, for example, lol 11-A SAO
 
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To summarize

Causality hax 6D. 7D with Bahamut
Fate hax 6D. 7D with bahamut
Regeneration neg mid godly. High Godly with Bahamut
NPI against NEP type 2 aspect type 1,2,3,4
Regeneration at Mid Godly with Mithra's law hax. with High Godly Resurrection via causality hax.
Acausality Type 2,4
Law hax at 6D. 7D with Bahamut
Resist EE on 6D that can erase to NEp Type 2
Free will on 6D
Resistance negation by making one susceptible to hax and ignore resistance up to 7D with Bahamut's God Sight
Ultimate Bahamut and Proto Bahamut also have a passive that kills anyone far weaker than them upon their presence.
Durability neg that also negates resurrection and regeneration up to high godly on info, concept, and history


Tier he has is
6-A
5-A
4-C
4-A
2-B
 
Dragonite007 said:
What is 6D Free will?
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free will to choose anything negating causality hax, fate hax, or anything predetermined or probability-based
its the will to resist the universe and the otherworlders who are 6D and was changing history over and over again to make people forget something or to erase an entire timeline future to make only 1 future for everyone (True Death)
 
Remove Mister Mxyzptlk from High 1-C.

And any reason why are Digimon Characters above Sun Wukong?
 
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