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Toneri's calc is obviously WRONG!

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Sekkonds.

Sekkonds.

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please watch this movie and then compare it to this calc

why is this calc wrong?

well,it's simply full of head canons and alot of wrong assumptions

at 11:47 in the movie and before toneri first came,we have been told that the moon is already falling

there were already meteorites falling

Toneri meteor


>At the beginning of The Last, as a warning sign of what is coming Toneri sends a small meteorite to Konoha that travels the distance between the Moon and Earth in a few seconds. From the minute 20:55 to 21:00, only five seconds is the time it takes for the meteorite to go from the Moon to the planet causing the friction to burn in the upper layers of the atmosphere

yeah,no

that is obviously wrong lol

1_there is nothing to suggest that toneri sent it..there were already meteorites falling towards earth long before toneri came..that's head canon

2_why did u assume that the meteorite crossed the earth in 5 seconds while the first frame we could see it was the moment toneri stared to disapper?it's have already intered the earth's atmosphere at the point

there are literally no frame where u can see when did the meteorite move nor where did it move from

that's a huge s--- comin from you

3_even hinata was watching the meteorite falling..unless it's oUtLiEr FeAt FoR hInAtA

the whole calc is obviously wrong..nothing to prove that toneri sent it..nothing to prove the time frame..nothing to prove when did it move from the moon..all are head canons

With Hanabi's Byakugan combined with his Ōtsutsuki chakra, Toneri's eyes matured into the Tenseigan. With these eyes, he can control attractive and repulsive forces that are capable of lifting the rocks of the Moo

just for your information,cuz at that time he hadn't achieve it yet
 
The timeframe is definitely incorrect. We don't see when Toneri sends the meteor, we just see the point in time when the meteor hits the atmosphere. As such, there's no way to determine the meteor's speed because we don't see the start of the trip, just the end of it.
 
at 11:47 in the movie and before toneri first came, we have been told that the moon is already falling

there were already meteorites falling

No. The first meteor was the one calculated, sent by Toneri. Before that there was no piece of moon falling on Earth, literally none. The scene you show is just a hypothesis of what would happen if the moon came to a certain distance near Earth. Its said "I belive". In addition, we see almost all the meteors falling on Earth during the movie

1_there is nothing to suggest that toneri sent it..there were already meteorites falling towards earth long before toneri came..that's head cano

Read above

2_why did u assume that the meteorite crossed the earth in 5 seconds while the first frame we could see it was the moment toneri stared to disapper?it's have already intered the earth's atmosphere at the point

Can you prove that the meteor has already entered our atmosphere at that moment? We see the meteor at 20:55, when it starts to go, and at 21:00, it has already arrived on Earth

3_even hinata was watching the meteorite falling..unless it's oUtLiEr FeAt FoR hInAtA

The worst of all. This is not an argument that can be used, in addition to being an outlier for her, this is not a criteria for evaluating a calculation. Everyone can see the fight between Guy and Madara even though both are dozens of times faster
 
And about "Toneri did not send any meteor", I do not think it's an absurd piece of moon sent by Toneri to be faster than pieces of random moon falling on Earth. He can move a moon, move a piece of moon faster than a random one with the intention of killing Naruto and using a powerful ocular power that manipulates gravity is extremely easy
 
"Can you prove that the meteor has already entered our atmosphere at that moment?"

We don't see the meteor until its ablation starts. And it can't start ablation unless it's in atmosphere.

We only catch the last few seconds of the meteor's trip, we don't see it go from the Moon to the Earth.
 
For one, it doesn't start ablation till it actually enters the atmosphere, it having a bright light when it first appears doesn't mean it started in the Earth's atmosphere. Comets outside of the atmosphere have a bright tail,

And the Hinata point is downright garbage, normal humans can see Halley's comet even tho it's High Hypersonic+. I don't even know what you thought before typing that as a rebuttal to this calc.
 
Comets have a tail because they're composed of ice, and as they approach the Sun that ice begins to evaporate and forms a trail behind them.

Meteors are rocky, and it isn't heading towards the Sun. The only way for this meteor to begin producing bright light is by heat, and the only way for it to do that is for it to enter the atmosphere.

Either way, it doesn't really matter. Even if we never saw the meteor at all until it landed, we still don't see when it leaves the Moon. Assuming it appeared as Toneri disappeared is entirely unfounded. It could've left the Moon the second he first appeared, or a minute beforehand. It could've started the trip a whole week prior. We just don't know.
 
BMWFanboy said:
For one, it doesn't start ablation till it actually enters the atmosphere, it having a bright light when it first appears doesn't mean it started in the Earth's atmosphere. Comets outside of the atmosphere have a bright tail,
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Comets outside the atmosphere have a bright tail because of comets being composed of ice, behind them is a trail of water vapor and ice which is what you're seeing as it's tail.

A meteor doesn't have a bright light until it enters the atmosphere at which it begins to ablate.

This is a meteor, it's a giant moon rock that has entered the atmosphere, it took 5 seconds from ablation till it reached the ground of Earth.

Roughly 20km/s.
 
I never agreed with the Toneri speed feat. This isn't me blindly agreeeing as much as it is someone else reaffirming what I've already stated. Never agreed with using 5 seconds because it relies on the assumption that Toneri launches the meteor immediately after he finished he conversation instead of any time before, which is far far more likely.
 
coniThe real cal howard said:
I never agreed with the Toneri speed feat. This isn't me blindly agreeeing as much as it is someone else reaffirming what I've already stated. Never agreed with using 5 seconds because it relies on the assumption that Toneri launches the meteor immediately after he finished he conversation instead of any time before, which is far far more likely.
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Yeah. Considering theres literally NO timeframe for this feat 5 seconds is dishonesty and wank, truthfully.

I'm not sure how other people didn't pick this up before
 
Anyone who's Relativistic. Naruto, Sasuke, Toneri, Kaguya, Madara, Hagoromo, Homura, Momoshiki, Delta, Kinshiki (I think), and I think that's it.
 
The real cal howard said:
Anyone who's Relativistic. Naruto, Sasuke, Toneri, Kaguya, Madara, Hagoromo, Homura, Momoshiki, Delta, Kinshiki (I think), and I think that's it.
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So what would be the new speeds then?
 
"even hinata was watching the meteorite falling..unless it's oUtLiEr FeAt FoR hInAtA"

I'm hoping this isn't a serious point.
 
In the Madara calc, couldn't you see visible clouds and a mountain in the background? I think that also has some errors.
 
Madara flying to the moon is bullshit aswell, but we will get to that afterwards lets just get rid of this crappy meteor "feat" first
 
Qawsedf234 said:
In the Madara calc, couldn't you see visible clouds and a mountain in the background? I think that also has some errors.
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This has already been discussed previously. There are several panels to scale, but several members of the calculation group decided to use a panel that the Madara appears in front of the moon
 
That was already discussed in the comments of a recalc, that was a different panel than the moon one and one where Madara was likely still moving.
 
That seems faulty then considering there's direct counter evidence in the same scene.
 
There's plenty of Sub rel calcs|

Sasuke flying back from near the moon, Toneri's GWR, Madara flying to the moon etc.
 
And also a maxh 7.5k for Kage level, wich is consistent. MHS+ god tiers is a no no
 
Qawsedf234 said:
That seems faulty then considering there's direct counter evidence in the same scene.
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But, it's not the "same" scene

The manga says you have to be near the moon for the jutsu and we see that the moon has become huge on the screen, the calc itself is fine.
 
I already calced this Sasuke's feat but Kep rejected, but Tata agreed. GWR crossed the moon in seconds and Base Nardo reacts to
 
Kep disagreed with the calc because it originally assumed it was Rel based off scaling from Infinite tsukiyomi's light

"Madara only casts the Infinite Tsukuyomi after Sasuke is already extremely close to the ground. We don't know the timeframe that elapsed between the events, but we know there were plenty of seconds separating them, more than a measly three. It'd be Sub-Rel or a lower level of Rel at most" - Kep in the comments

So sub rel is fine for the sasuke feat
 
Maybe a discussion thread?

@Cal

It is from The Last movie. We have two feats from meteors (Mach 5k and 7.5k)
 
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