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Toeiverse/GT Goku Revisions Part 2

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Are some experienced members who know exactly what they are doing willing to handle it?
 
For reference

Galaxy level:

SSJ3 Goku / Base GT Goku, Kid Buu and Super Buu (All forms), Ultimate Gohan, SSJ and SSJ3 Gotenks, Hirudegarn, Janemba, Base Uub, General Rilldo, Baby Baby

At least Galaxy level:

Toei Vegito and SSJ Gogeta, Majuub, Baby Vegeta, SSJ - SSJ2 Vegeta (eventually), SSJ - SSJ4 Goku, Super 17,

Multi-Galaxy level:

Nuova and Eis, barely, SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta (EoS), Syn and Omega Shenron, SSJ4 Gogeta
 
This may ne off topic but what about Picollo? If im right, you need to be a SSJ in order to take him in and also Picollo also trains alot just like Goku
 
Chartate101 said:
Does GT Trunks scale to Base GT Goku?
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No, GT base Goku can take out Gohan and Goten even when they go SS, Trunks is in the same ballpark, Pan has no real feats that put her close to anyone of note.
 
I know, i was kidding lol, i also think in a guidebook, Gohan in the GT continuity continued to train after the Buu Arc, so the SSJ Gohan that GT Base Goku stomped was likely stronger then Z Mystic Gohan and possibly even Buuhan, making GT Base Goku much stronger then Z SSJ3 Goku
 
Also it was stated that Rildo was stronger than Buu, and GT Base took on Rildo. GT Base Goku is unquantifiably stronger than SSJ3 Goku
 
Chartate101 said:
Also it was stated that Rildo was stronger than Buu, and GT Base took on Rildo. GT Base Goku is unquantifiably stronger than SSJ3 Goku
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Oh yeah, good point, i forgot about that XD, so he was likely referring to Base Rildo being above Buuhan since he said stronger then Buu, if he wasn't referring to the strongest Buu, he would likely have been more specific, so already Base Goku (Beginning of GT)>Base Rildo>Buuhan, in fact, since Gohan trained for those like 20 years after Buu, there is a good chance that Base Gohan (GT)>Mystic Gohan (Z) even, while Baby Arc Base Goku again, stomped a GT SSJ Gohan, there is a chance that Baby Arc Base Goku>Buu Arc SSJ Vegito
 
It was basically said that most of the Z fighters (who still fight) kept training after Z

EDIT: Tien doesn't fight but he does train everyday
 
Antvasima said:
Are some experienced members who know exactly what they are doing willing to handle it?
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Somebody or somebodies need to apply Promestein's suggestions.
 
I can help after 10 hours or so.
 
wait are you seriously taking gohan's ss2 form as the base argument for inconsistency?

granted he was the first one to unlock it but let's not forget this is gohan the crybaby hulk of the series who gets stronger with rage boosts.

I think we've seen enough evidence of rage boosts in the series and what they can do. Case in point trunks.

Gohan's true base was never shown, everyone who has seen the arc can see he was never fighting at full strength and potential in both SS1 and SS2.

the last fight between his as SS2 and SPC was them both at max and Gohan with plot and another rage boost.

Saying guide books don't make sense shouldn't be applied here.

The guide books only give numbers without factoring in who is the one fighting or any rage boosts or plot involved.

Imo the SS form multipliers in the guide books should be used as the minimum and should state that higher mastery and rage boosts can further increase the fighter's power even further.
 
Promestein's suggestions from the previous thread:

Galaxy level:

  • SSJ3 Goku / Base GT Goku
  • Kid Buu and Super Buu (All forms)
  • Ultimate Gohan
  • SSJ and SSJ3 Gotenks
  • Hirudegar
  • Janemba
  • Base Uub
  • General Rilldo
  • Baby Baby
At least Galaxy level:

  • Toei Vegito and SSJ Gogeta
  • Majuub
  • Baby Vegeta
  • SSJ - SSJ2 Vegeta (eventually)
  • SSJ - SSJ4 Goku
  • Super 17
Multi-Galaxy level:

  • Nuova and Eis, barely
  • SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta (EoS)
  • Syn and Omega Shenron
  • SSJ4 Gogeta

I revised the profiles that were not locked - striked ones.
 
@AKM

If you write a list of the exact page names, my automated script can temporarily unlock them for you.
 
AKM sama said:
He was probably thinking of 10x over kaioken x20, maybe that's why 50x seemed higher to him. Him thinking SSJ was weaker than kaioken x20 makes no sense.
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Uh...no. He obviously wasn't.

  • "I decided on the design for the Super Saiyan for, to be honest… a simple reason that will leave you saying "What?". I always have only a single person, Assistant-kun3, helping me with my work. That Assistant-kun's time was always taken up doing the black fill4 of Goku's hair, so the biggest reason was in order to save time. Because when he became a Super Saiyan, we wouldn't have to do the black fill. It also had the effect of making it easy to tell from his appearance that Goku had gotten stronger, so it killed two birds with one stone. Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration. My feeling as the creator is that, while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point."
He is talking about Base Goku's desing just before he makes that comment. He clearly means a 50x increase over Base Goku, not Kaioken Goku.

The solid conclusion to make is that he forgot Kaioken was a thing when he said that. Like Toriyama's said half a dozen times in those newer interviews, he forgot most of what he had come up with. He even went as far as to forget Super Saiyan 2 existed.

It doesn't matter anyway.
 
Antvasima said:
@AKM

If you write a list of the exact page names, my automated script can temporarily unlock them for you.
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Would you be willing to update the remaining profiles, or is some other staff member willing to handle it?
 
@BlackeJan Piccolo doesn't currently have a Toei version of his profile, so that will have to wait.
 
Toriyama has editors and his IP has official guidebooks approved by him for a reason. Whether he personally made them, contributed to them or agrees with them etc doesn't matter.

At the end of the day he gave his consent to the guide books.

I don't see why using them as the minimum multiplier is such a problem.

Like I said earlier rage boosts and in fight power increases are a thing in DB, using the base multiplier makes sense.

It's not like they get millions of times stronger with just 1 transformation unlike the god form.
 
Quick question, when does Janemba use a 'super breath capable of wiping out a city'? That kind of thing looks like it belongs on Buu's profile instead of Janemba.
 
@AKM sama, Gogeta's page should probably be renamed to 'Gogeta (Toei)'.
 
A point that was brought up by DBZMLP:

Super 17 after absorbing Goku's 10x Kamehameha stomped SSJ4 Goku, the same SSJ4 Goku who is 3-B in the Shadow Dragons arc which happens right after Super 17 arc within the same day. It's the same SSJ4 Goku who stomped Eis and stalemated Nuova who are both 3-B too, so Super 17 should also be 3-B after absorbing Goku's 10x Kamehameha.
 
@AKM

I have unlocked the pages.
 
Will we be making Toei profiles then? Cause let's be honest I'm sure most of us would wanna use the Toeis profile instead of the manga ver.
 
We already have a Toei Goku profile, so I think that a few more of the most well-known Dragon Ball characters should probably be fine, but it depends on what the rest of the staff think.
 
Antvasima said:
We already have a Toei Goku profile, so I think that a few more of the most well-known Dragon Ball characters should probably be fine, but it depends on what the rest of the staff think.
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Dark has made a blog about some profiles.

I'm done with the revisions. You can lock the pages again. For some reason I was not able to rename Gogeta.
 
Thank you for the help.

The Fandom staff changed the settings of the wiki to prevent most of our members from moving pages, due to all of the problematic vandalism in this regard. Administrators and Content Moderators can still do so though.

What should I rename the Gogeta page to?
 
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