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It's non canon to Toaru though. Anyway, can I see the mention just for reference?
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Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1
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You're right, it is non-canon.
However, that novel was written using Toaru as its base setting.
This was specified in the afterword.
This novel was originally intended to be written based on Virtual On, but the original author of Virtual On advised that it would be better to include more of Toaru's worldview, and Kamachi accepted that advice.
In other words, just because it's non-canon doesn't mean that the ordinary theories that exist there don't exist in Toaru.
The only thing that can't be used in the setting because it's non-canon is Virtual On's unique setting.
Yes, yes. Theoretically, using a method that relies on the von Neumann architecture based on ordinary binary, you should be able to break through the portable device. Whether it's a formula or an ability, without exception.
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It says, with all words, that it was a prophecy and that it had no fixed time, so it still can't be something as direct as death hax, maybe some kind of fate hax would fit better.
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Yeah, fate manipulation sounds fitting.
Perhaps something like "Death Manipulation via Fate Manipulation"? He is only dying as a result of her "prophecy" after all.
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If it was not directly alluded to in the actual canon, I see no reason to use it to scale that to the canon, Toaru wouldn't be the first verse I've seen where there could be an upgrade using non-canon info and it wasn't accepted because the canon doesn't have the same statements.
In case you're talking about what I think you are, the difference is that that other verse you're referring to got actual statements and reasoning to get to 1A (not H1A, mind you), does anyone in Toaru have an actual statement saying they transcend dimensions? And alongside these statements is there more evidence supporting it?
Whatever other verses are rated as on the wiki have no impact on Toaru, they have their statements and we have our own completely different ones.
I've no idea why y'all care so much about upgrading Toaru to L1A, H1B or whatever and why y'all think it will be possible when there's barely any actual statement for it, it's mostly a bunch of mental gymnastics on a bunch of things Kamachi didn't ever properly explain or address.
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Alice sure. Touma maybe. CRC only with magic, not physically. The regular Transcendents no, at least not in base. Mut Thebes would have been pierced through by a shot from the Predator Octopus if she hadn't absorbed composite armor in time.
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I see no reason for the Dragon King to be any other tier, Touma's own stats were also seemingly raised while in Dragon Lord form so I think 5B is the most likely tier to scale him.
He, just like Anna Sprengel and others, is able to use magic to amp his physicals and iirc he did it once or twice during his fight with Touma.
The Transcendents will be on a case by case basis, there's no way to apply their bullshit to one another.
Thebes fought with Dinah (who should be 5B) after absorbing enough tech, for example, meanwhile Mary could create a barrier able to take an attack from CRC in base.
And then we have Aradia, who focuses on stats amps, fighting evenly with Succubus who doesn't have any real amps, which by itself means they're not in the same base level.
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To add, there's also her anti-healing that would stop Mary's resurrection.
And also, can we split Alice's abilities in her profile in tabs for her own abilities, Alice Series and Live Adventures in Wonderland? I think that would help to properly explain what each thing does.
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Schrodinger's cat is a real thing in Index, and it works, we all know that right?
Now, Schrodinger is also the person who made the wave function in the first place, that's just a true fact already.
Also the only reason, and the only possible reason why Schrodinger's cat was even made, is because of Copenhagen interpretation, without it, there's no reason Schrodinger would care about making some thought experiment like this. Now, this also prove that the Copenhagen interpretation, or something of a similar name, must exists for Schrodinger's cat to exists. And wave function is also in many parts of the Copenhagen interpretation, too.
What does all this mean? This mean that wave function exists, but well, it must exists right? Like it is extremely important to Quantum mechanics after all.
Hilbert space plays a central role to integrate and determine the interpretation of wave function.
So like, Wave function exists because of Schrodinger and the Hilbert space, and Copenhagen interpretation must exists because schrodinger's cat exists too. Anyways, Hilbert space must exists.
The logic here is the same as if Newton never made any theories, the human society wouldn't be like how it is right now. Quantum Physics is the same too, we can't just say that because some theory wasn't stated to be there, mean that we shouldn't say it does exists even if something that was stated to exists prove the existence of all the other things that wasn't stated to exists. Something similar to Hilbert space and wave function must exist to push Quantum Physics to be that advanced in Index, it Quantum Physics in Index was just some vague, almost irrelevant thing that just there because it was there, then I wouldn't be relying on it from the start, but remember, it was there, it played a significant role, and it actually works as a real thing in the verse, it's not just there for show.
So, even if we can't give Index a proper low 1-A scaling, at least we could give it a defined possibility, not just "possibly far higher", it is concreted enough for a "possibly low 1-A" rating at least.
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As I said before, Mental Gymnastics, that won't get you absolutely anywhere here.
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Yeah. And more honestly... What's the point of it? The Tier 1s themselves are essentially just a bragging rights trophy that won't net any interesting topics 'sides saying (insert person here) is THIS powerful.
At least with the lower tiers, you have the chance to have decent discussions regarding matchups and qualify feats in some sort of numbered form-which you can't really do with the upper tiers since alot of the other Tier 1s can just do "Strong Gaze" and insta-kill Othinus/TMGs/Coronzon/Aiwass due to the aformentioned issue of them not having any decent resistances to save their lives, lel.
At least with the lower tiers, you have the chance to have decent discussions regarding matchups and qualify feats in some sort of numbered form-
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It's not just mere Mental Gymnastics, we already have working Quantum Mechanics in Index already, and Schrodinger's Cat also exists, Von Neumann was also confirmed to exists even if it's in a non-canon story.
And as I explained, something that was not stated to be there must exists because something else that's already blatantly stated to be a thing and is working in the reality of the verse. As I said, there's no reason to deny that, it's like saying because Newton wasn't stated to exists in a verse, doesn't mean that his theories aren't. The world in Index have stuffs that existence need the theories that Newton created to even exists, even if it's not Newton, someone of a different name must have made it. It's the same as the existence of Misaka's Railgun, it's because of the Lorentz Force, even if Lorentz Force wasn't stated to be in the verse (just for example), if Railgun exists and works, so does Lorentz Force.
Same for Quantum theory, Schrodinger's cat prove the existence of the Copenhagen interpretation and Schrodinger, Schrodinger proved that Wave Function exists. Wave Function is a must in Quantum Physics, or else all of the logic they could possibly use to make espers power a real thing, wouldn't exists in the first place. And the central part that made Wave Function works as a theory, is Hilbert space, without it, Wave Function is nonsense and can't be used for anything at all.
And as I already said, if Schrodinger's Cat wasn't a thing in Index, and if it didn't play such a major role in the power system itself, I wouldn't bother to care, but it did, and because it did, as a consequence, everything that's crucial to it must exists too for it to work. If not, there's no logical way I could think of to say that Schrodinger's Cat and Quantum Physics just exists, and somehow people actually believe that they could use it as a base theory for espers power as the first place, like even Magicians had to have a concrete theory for their Magic in Index, they just don't see something and be like "damn, this sounds like bs with nothing to be based on, but I'll believe it anyways" and somehow it works.
With all of these, how are we still denying the clear possibility here? And I'm just saying should at least get a "Possibly Low 1-A" rating, not that Index will just straight up get a Low 1-A rating just because of this.
And of course, I wasn't being nonsense to just say that the verse's structure is an infinite dimensional structure just because Hilbert Space is a thing in the verse, it's because of Alice's ability to apply any theories, even nonsensical one to reality, that's what matters.
Well, it's not like I could do anything here, if they don't accept clear logic, but only clear statements, then it's fine.
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No, if it's non-canon then it doesn't help woth the canon at all, in any way, shape or form, simply as that.
There's no logic in completely failing to fulfill the burden of proof that any of these things are effectively on Toaru and that Alice could indeed make such a massively complex thing like a Hilbert Space an actual thing.
You're basically saying "this thing that was never brought up in the series can be created by this character who never did anything even close to it, even tho the author never implied anything even close to such a scale".
If you think you're on the "logic side" then you're not understanding what is your own position here.
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Some additions for the Transcendents from GT10 (we still don't have profiles for them, right?):
1. Mind Manipulation?: Blodeuwedd's ability to control all living beings (pretty sure there was a mention of it being on a planetary scale somewhere, but I couldn't find it)
2. Spatial Manipulation: Good Old Mary creating a pocket of isolated time and space:
3. Existence Erasure via Fate Manipulation: Vidhatri has the ability to control fate and creation, and can easily use it to erase people's very existence:
She can even undo Good Old Mary's space-time isolation using her ability:
4. Trismegistus' sword slashes are as fast as light?:
5. Fire Manipulation: Anna Sprengel has a staff that produces flames that burn away space itself regardless of whatever physical matter was in front of them, so maybe Spatial Manipulation too?:
There's some other stuff that I've missed, but I think these should be the major stuff to add to their potential profiles.
There's also 2nd Saga, but I don't have her "feats" saved currently.
1. Mind Manipulation?: Blodeuwedd's ability to control all living beings (pretty sure there was a mention of it being on a planetary scale somewhere, but I couldn't find it)
“Ah ha ha☆ Alice isn’t the only one. The rest of us regular Transcendents also have enough charisma for our very presence to distort human society and create new trends. Maybe you could call it a flaw of dressing up as a god. However, I am exceptional in that regard. In this one field, my ability is even more obvious than Alice’s.”
That they were on a bridge over a large river wasn’t enough to explain it.
This noise was unusual.
The dark water of the January night was stirring with no connection to the water or wind current.
Stirring violently.
“I am loved by all living things. And not just people – birds, land animals, bugs, and fish too.”
Something crashed into the large bridge. They were the black bass, bluegills, and other troublemakers of the river environment. They were small and common creatures with nothing divine about them, but tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands had gathered to form a giant wave.
These lives were so easily manipulated.
Red and silver.
They had enough force and mass to possibly break a bridge weighing more than ten thousand tons.
“What do you think of my Total Courtship?☆”
Using cries, pheromones, dances, and colors, she could seduce any living creature, including humans. Simply put, she was a courtship expert.
Was she already drunk on victory?
Euphoric, Blodeuwedd the Bouquet raised her voice.
“Ha ha☆ Love them, demon of the night. Love every last one of them. But there are plenty of environmentally destructive species that are hated just because there are too many of them!!!”
That they were on a bridge over a large river wasn’t enough to explain it.
This noise was unusual.
The dark water of the January night was stirring with no connection to the water or wind current.
Stirring violently.
“I am loved by all living things. And not just people – birds, land animals, bugs, and fish too.”
Something crashed into the large bridge. They were the black bass, bluegills, and other troublemakers of the river environment. They were small and common creatures with nothing divine about them, but tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands had gathered to form a giant wave.
These lives were so easily manipulated.
Red and silver.
They had enough force and mass to possibly break a bridge weighing more than ten thousand tons.
“What do you think of my Total Courtship?☆”
Using cries, pheromones, dances, and colors, she could seduce any living creature, including humans. Simply put, she was a courtship expert.
Was she already drunk on victory?
Euphoric, Blodeuwedd the Bouquet raised her voice.
“Ha ha☆ Love them, demon of the night. Love every last one of them. But there are plenty of environmentally destructive species that are hated just because there are too many of them!!!”
2. Spatial Manipulation: Good Old Mary creating a pocket of isolated time and space:
A quake-like vibration disturbed the dark river.
Blodeuwedd the Bouquet could make a weapon out of the vast city full of pests and vermin, but she wasn’t the only one responsible.
As the fish rushed in as a great wave threatening to swallow up the bridge from the side, they were stopped by a three-legged object the size of a stadium.
“Tribikos,” whispered Good, Old Mary, manager of experimental tools.
She was facing Vidhatri, Indian goddess of fate. Their eyes happened to meet and she took a breath as their piece of time and space was cut away from the confused battlefield. At times, rhythm and timing meant everything in a chaotic battle. Good, Old Mary was bound by Vidhatri in the same way.
Their clash was inevitable now.
Good, Old Mary addressed the perfectly-proportioned model wearing a red sari.
“Vidhatri, mama is serious. Mama will crush you. So what will you do?”
“Are you sure you want me to take this seriously?”
Blodeuwedd the Bouquet could make a weapon out of the vast city full of pests and vermin, but she wasn’t the only one responsible.
As the fish rushed in as a great wave threatening to swallow up the bridge from the side, they were stopped by a three-legged object the size of a stadium.
“Tribikos,” whispered Good, Old Mary, manager of experimental tools.
She was facing Vidhatri, Indian goddess of fate. Their eyes happened to meet and she took a breath as their piece of time and space was cut away from the confused battlefield. At times, rhythm and timing meant everything in a chaotic battle. Good, Old Mary was bound by Vidhatri in the same way.
Their clash was inevitable now.
Good, Old Mary addressed the perfectly-proportioned model wearing a red sari.
“Vidhatri, mama is serious. Mama will crush you. So what will you do?”
“Are you sure you want me to take this seriously?”
3. Existence Erasure via Fate Manipulation: Vidhatri has the ability to control fate and creation, and can easily use it to erase people's very existence:
The brown beauty suddenly grew more arms.
No, it was more accurate to say she was standing back to back with had a doll of nearly 2m. It was even larger than Vidhatri’s model-like figure. While she was stiflingly captivating and sensual, this was a life-size ball-jointed doll made of a hard, smooth material.
Was she actually wearing it on her back with thick shoulder straps?
It had apparently been contained inside a rectangular bag.
White thread and black hair was tangled around its artificial fingers.
The Indian fate goddess Vidhatri did not exist on her own. She and the creation goddess Dhatri were always depicted as a pair.
By weaving white and black threads, those gods determined the fate of the entire world, making them extremely powerful.
Threads.
Weaving.
And a doll.
Good, Old Mary sighed as she rapidly analyzed these things to predict what her opponent could do.
No, it was more accurate to say she was standing back to back with had a doll of nearly 2m. It was even larger than Vidhatri’s model-like figure. While she was stiflingly captivating and sensual, this was a life-size ball-jointed doll made of a hard, smooth material.
Was she actually wearing it on her back with thick shoulder straps?
It had apparently been contained inside a rectangular bag.
White thread and black hair was tangled around its artificial fingers.
The Indian fate goddess Vidhatri did not exist on her own. She and the creation goddess Dhatri were always depicted as a pair.
By weaving white and black threads, those gods determined the fate of the entire world, making them extremely powerful.
Threads.
Weaving.
And a doll.
Good, Old Mary sighed as she rapidly analyzed these things to predict what her opponent could do.
She can even undo Good Old Mary's space-time isolation using her ability:
But something else bothered her more.
How had the fish even made it this far?
She looked up to see the great wall was missing.
The Tribikos.
In the brief time she had looked away, her stadium-sized trump card had completely vanished.
Like it had been nightmarishly spirited away.
“You must understand.”
With the sounds of springs operating, the ball-joint doll Dhatri’s arms split and lots of pulleys and latches emerged. It formed a loom.
Extremely thin pieces of white and black danced about.
They were threads.
No, was some of that her own black hair?
“Vidhatri controls fate and Dhatri creates all things. Those two goddesses determine all that happens through the weaving of the white and black. Good, Old Mary, you may be able to create anything with your alchemy, but I decide how many different options are included in that ‘anything’.”
“I see.”
“I am Vidhatri. When paired with my partner goddess, I control fate and creation. I am the Transcendent who classifies the world based on my preferences and saves all of those that meet my preferences.”
The threads of fate were woven together to create the warp and the weft of the world.
Was this what it meant to confront someone who had control over all things?
“You are the same as mama. You contain a portion of the mystical power you borrowed from Alice, but you have failed to make full use of it. You are no more than an imperfect performer.”
“Say what you like. In this field, Good, Old Mary, I can easily erase your very existence. I must only intentionally omit all mention of you.”
Good, Old Mary didn’t even have time to hear her out.
With the breakwater gone, the fish crashed into the bridge like a silver wave.
How had the fish even made it this far?
She looked up to see the great wall was missing.
The Tribikos.
In the brief time she had looked away, her stadium-sized trump card had completely vanished.
Like it had been nightmarishly spirited away.
“You must understand.”
With the sounds of springs operating, the ball-joint doll Dhatri’s arms split and lots of pulleys and latches emerged. It formed a loom.
Extremely thin pieces of white and black danced about.
They were threads.
No, was some of that her own black hair?
“Vidhatri controls fate and Dhatri creates all things. Those two goddesses determine all that happens through the weaving of the white and black. Good, Old Mary, you may be able to create anything with your alchemy, but I decide how many different options are included in that ‘anything’.”
“I see.”
“I am Vidhatri. When paired with my partner goddess, I control fate and creation. I am the Transcendent who classifies the world based on my preferences and saves all of those that meet my preferences.”
The threads of fate were woven together to create the warp and the weft of the world.
Was this what it meant to confront someone who had control over all things?
“You are the same as mama. You contain a portion of the mystical power you borrowed from Alice, but you have failed to make full use of it. You are no more than an imperfect performer.”
“Say what you like. In this field, Good, Old Mary, I can easily erase your very existence. I must only intentionally omit all mention of you.”
Good, Old Mary didn’t even have time to hear her out.
With the breakwater gone, the fish crashed into the bridge like a silver wave.
4. Trismegistus' sword slashes are as fast as light?:
The young butler did not hesitate to move.
Light flashed from his right hand as the blade
hidden in his cane turned to light and sliced
through the floor. The strange slash had an effect well beyond the length of the sword. And it struck right were crawling Alice's lowered head was. It definitely hit. Except the metal blade passed right through her. Like she was intangible.
Light flashed from his right hand as the blade
hidden in his cane turned to light and sliced
through the floor. The strange slash had an effect well beyond the length of the sword. And it struck right were crawling Alice's lowered head was. It definitely hit. Except the metal blade passed right through her. Like she was intangible.
5. Fire Manipulation: Anna Sprengel has a staff that produces flames that burn away space itself regardless of whatever physical matter was in front of them, so maybe Spatial Manipulation too?:
Miss Sprengel raised the staff in her little hands.
That was all.
There was no fancy incantation or complex
magic circle. Flames simply appeared in the
empty air and were released from the staff. They shot toward Alice with a liquid motion. These were not ordinary flames. They were magic flames that scorched and burned away space itself regardless of the physical material, like an old photograph being burned from behind.
That was all.
There was no fancy incantation or complex
magic circle. Flames simply appeared in the
empty air and were released from the staff. They shot toward Alice with a liquid motion. These were not ordinary flames. They were magic flames that scorched and burned away space itself regardless of the physical material, like an old photograph being burned from behind.
There's some other stuff that I've missed, but I think these should be the major stuff to add to their potential profiles.
There's also 2nd Saga, but I don't have her "feats" saved currently.
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As for Alice, I'd still prefer to stick to a tier rating of At least High 1-C, likely/possibly far higher, as it's the safest and doesn't really rely on any assumptions.
But there's no harm in suggesting the Hilbert Space stuff (in the CRT) since several here are adamant and seem convinced by it. If it gets accepted, cool. If not, also no problem. That's what CRTs are for, after all.
But there's no harm in suggesting the Hilbert Space stuff (in the CRT) since several here are adamant and seem convinced by it. If it gets accepted, cool. If not, also no problem. That's what CRTs are for, after all.
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Alice was stated to be able to turn any theory into reality, no matter how farfetched or close to reality it is, even 1 line is enough, That's the statement. We limit that to inside the verse and to Phase manipulation level cause of Othinus's statements (cause anything else would be nlf), and there we go, or you say that the statement means nothing? Like if Alice has only ever apply theories that affect a district for example, then the statement is invalid and Alice is a featless fodder? Then lots verse in fiction is fodder cause it's all statements, baseless statements with no feats. Alice is 100% capable of turning Hilbert Space into reality, it's a scientific stuff, nothing that went over the scope of the cosmology, like if someone say that Alice can somehow bring the Cthulhu Mythos cosmology as we know into reality in Index just because Cthulhu Mythos was there, I'd call it bs nonsense unless given enough context, but Hilbert Space isn't something that crazy big, and it's existence is guarantee already.
Kamachi has already given us power of that scale, like Curtana's all dimension severing spell. All Whole Number to be exact, no reason to just say that "Oh it could just mean that it can only cut 11 whole number dimensions" like no, nothing prove that possibility, that's just a wrong way of understanding it.
Schrodinger cat exists, along with all the mechanic it introduced, esper power proved this, there's literally no reason for us to refuse Hilbert space's existence, when everything that is a proof to it's existence is already there. You need to prove that Schrodinger's cat and it's mechanic can exists separately from Hilbert Space completely, if not then you have no reason to refuse it's existence, that's the thing here, you can't just deny logic and say that those doesn't mean anything, when they actually does mean a lot.
I forgot another thing, Mugino's power proved that wave function exists in Index too.
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Scans would help. But anyways, if it's that simple, we wouldn't be here dealing with allthis. It's always tiny a lack of statement that ruins everything, and we know that Kamachi wouldn't do something like "oh beyond concept oh beyond infinite dimensions" or anything like that, he'd just mindhack us with vague statement and we'll still stop at H1C, again.
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Like imagine this, Hilbert space plays an important role in Wave function which also play an important role in Quantum Mechanics, allow everything to properly work, and Quantum Mechanic is science side's main reason why they could have esper power, and the sole reason why lots of esper powers that are related to Quantum mechanic (like Mugino's) even work to begin with. If we could just have that at the start then everything would've been so easy, but no, statement is required as always. And even after we got that OP power that accepts all kind of bs like Alice's ability to apply bs theory to reality, we will still stop at H1C due to lack of statement, can't even get a possibly low 1-A rating easily. It's a headache, really.
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Did you ever read the statement to be saying that?
"After all, his opponent attacked with a strike that could slice through all dimensions that could be represented with whole numbers."
Then we ask to that statement:
"How many dimensions are represented by whole numbers?"
The only answer we have to that is, guess what, 11 dimensions. The statement doesn't say "there is a spatial dimension for each whole number" at all nor does it imply there are infinite ones, the only thing it says is that Curtana can cut through the ones that do exist.
Also, damn, Kamachi does not follow the things he actually brings up in the novel such as relativity, for example, which I doubt can allow someone to travel to a temporally displaced dimension, so why the things he never brought up like Hilbert Space and Wave Functions or whatever else have to be inherently a thing and also the full scope one his characters operates at?
That's literally "I know these things exist, therefore the author should as well, meaning his characters can do it"
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We've been waiting for an expansion on the cosmology for nearly 20 volumes now, I think, so I really hope it's something actually new and not just some random Phase (tho a Phase wouldn't really make sense, IMO, the afterlife existed before religions and their phases, but Kingsford naming her spell a "Hell Tour" could mean I am slightly wrong).
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Nope, this proved otherwise, if the other statement doesn't fully describe the feat that I'm talking about, this one does, and since this one did it's job of filling the meaning that was missing, this would be superior and will be the statement above all unless a statement contradict this statement. The statement above does not refute this statement, it's just not as completed.
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"outside it all" is quite a lack of context tbh, what does mean "all" in this context? The Physical world? All of creation (Phases, etc) or even beyond that? You could also say that Phases are "outside it all", which is outside reality where everything is happening. So imo in this case it being a Phase still make sense.
Or they somehow need to get through hell from the place that is outside everything (every Phases and the reality, maybe even the Pure World?) to get back to reality, well idk about this.
Basically more context is needed, though I do sense some potential in this, maybe this will get us deeper into Phases somehow?
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Nope, phases is the filter of reality itself, and also containing another reality inside.
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Well yes, I know this, I know it mean that Phases are reality itself (or it could mean that Phases exists above reality to influence it, but this is a bit far fetched). The "reality" I'm talking about here is the physical world (like how in Assiah there is a physical world and a spiritual world), it's likely that Touma is in the spiritual world, as he described himself to be like one (and since he's dead and his physical body is back in the physical world).
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Wait, if Phases contain a different reality inside them, isn't the latter interpretation seems more likely? Like if Phases shapes reality and also contain a reality inside them, it means that Phases itself could be above reality (or the Physical world)?
This mean that the next volume will answer 1 important question: Are Phases at least above the Physical world (the bottom layer in the 4 world, the downer layer of Assiah) and is at least on the Spiritual world (the upper layer of Assiah), or is it not? Since Touma is now Spiritual, combine with Kingsford's statement, it's 100% true that the place Touma about to go through (maybe hell?) is the spiritual world, and if the place he's going to visit is indeed Hell, that make the reality in Phases also 1 layer above the Physical world too.
And with Kingsford's statement, it would be more likely that wherever they're about to go through is above everything, including the hell of the 11D treatment.
And with this, we could use the Kabbalah to upscale everything else too (defining the position of Phases in the 4 worlds is important)
If we're lucky and get enough statement to prove that the reality in Phases are 1 layer below the Phases itself, then it's even better, though a bit unlikely tbh.
Expect something big next volume, I'm sure this is it.
This mean that the next volume will answer 1 important question: Are Phases at least above the Physical world (the bottom layer in the 4 world, the downer layer of Assiah) and is at least on the Spiritual world (the upper layer of Assiah), or is it not? Since Touma is now Spiritual, combine with Kingsford's statement, it's 100% true that the place Touma about to go through (maybe hell?) is the spiritual world, and if the place he's going to visit is indeed Hell, that make the reality in Phases also 1 layer above the Physical world too.
And with Kingsford's statement, it would be more likely that wherever they're about to go through is above everything, including the hell of the 11D treatment.
And with this, we could use the Kabbalah to upscale everything else too (defining the position of Phases in the 4 worlds is important)
If we're lucky and get enough statement to prove that the reality in Phases are 1 layer below the Phases itself, then it's even better, though a bit unlikely tbh.
Expect something big next volume, I'm sure this is it.
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No, but more like many realities stacked in same place. The difference only the wavelengths.
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Yeah, but this raised a question, if this is true, why do Phases have distances from each other? Why can they even have a "wall"? Why can they even collide? That's what I've wondering about, maybe I'm just forgetting something.
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It could just be that Phases do not stack like a building, but more like dimensions with the only difference is instead of the difference between the number of axis, it's frequencies?
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What if Phases are like those I described above your comment?
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With these information, I'm thinking that instead of a multiversal-like structure, or a Pancake-like structure, it's like stacking non-Physical stuff on top of each other, and when the frequencies somehow meet (distance between Phases), it collides and cause sparks. My theory.
Could the frequencies be a thing to determine how different it is from a set frequency? In this case maybe the Pure World? And the collision is caused by colliding ideas of the same principle (iirc), so it's likely that this is right, unless again, I'm dumb and is forgetting something.
Could the frequencies be a thing to determine how different it is from a set frequency? In this case maybe the Pure World? And the collision is caused by colliding ideas of the same principle (iirc), so it's likely that this is right, unless again, I'm dumb and is forgetting something.
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I'm currently making the CRT (in a sandbox) for changes and additions to be made for Alice's profile. Feel free to add suggestions and any extra information that I failed to mention in my previous post regarding her feats.
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That quote just literally does not address the exact same question.
"All whole number dimensions" ≠ "Every whole number has a dimension of its own"
For example, if I eat "all numbered candies in my pockets" would you say I've eaten one for each number or only the entirety of the ones I had to begin with? Because you're reading "slice through all whole number dimensions [of the universe]" and giving the first answer.
You're simply reading what you want out of the quotes and not what they are actually saying.
Did you take my previous suggestions on how to split her P&A and the resistances we can give her?
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Noted.
By Alice Series, are you referring to her miracles (walking, crawling, grabbing etc)? I was already thinking of separating those from her Live Adventures in Wonderland ability/feats.
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The Dragon yes, but not Touma. If CRC gets his 5B rating from being able to harm Aleizon with his diamond, then Touma can't be 5B physically since he had his head obliterated by that same attack.
I know, but there should be a mention that he doesn't always have 5B physicals. When he's not boosting himself, he's just a regular human.
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It's the name of her summons:
“Fool, this is bad sign. Encountering the bait meant to buy us time means we have more enemies to deal with. By which I mean the Gryphon, the Executioner, and the rest of the Alice Series.”
No? That just means CRC's diamond scales higher than Touma, I am pretty sure we saw Touma kicking CRC once or twice, not including the fact he was moving around so his speed was amped as well.
Oh, yeah.
"10B, up to 5B physically with magic power" or something like that.
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