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TLR vs. Gilgamesh (One More)

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Rashek can potentially blitz but he doesn't immediately amp + blitz. It's more like his speed is gradually increasing at a rate depending on how much he's drawing from his metalminds.

Speed isn't the sole reason Rashek is winning though. It's his character and a number of other powers that win him this.

Keep in mind his Hypersonic+ speeds are already due to constant compounding; amping more would be drawing from his reserves and it's not something he could continually do.
 
O.m.nikk said:
Lastly, does Gilgamesh have any metal in his current equipment? Judging from the image, his pieces of armor can be used as an additional anchor for allomantic pull.
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His armor got high magic resistance, so that's imposible.
 
bump.

@John TLR can push/pull minute metals in rocks, so using Gil's armor as an anchor isn't needed.
 
Gil doesn't only see the future, he can see the opponent's name and abilities, parallel world, or simply understand the best possible move he can make.
GoB has the prototype of every noble phantasm in existence, which includes Gáe Bolg like weapons, magic canceling weapons, shields, vehicles and many more.

So Gil will know his opponents abilities, can cancel his AP and speed boosting, can hit him no matter his speed, can get out of range on Vimana and can surround himself with 7-A shields.
I vote for Gilgamesh.
 
Gilgamesh in this key actively restrains SNI and doesn't listen to it, so he won't know any of that.
 
Tdtd1234 said:
can hit him no matter his speed
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Just to clarify, by that line you state that Gilgamesh can see the future on the whole different level than TLR which results not only canceling each other prediction techniques but still gives Gilgamesh full advantage.

John985 said:
His armor got high magic resistance, so that's imposible.
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OK then, otherwise TLR would have really big advantage.
 
O.m.nikk said:
Just to clarify, by that line you state that Gilgamesh can see the future on the whole different level than TLR which results not only canceling each other prediction techniques but still gives Gilgamesh full advantage.
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No, i mean that Gilgamesh has Gáe Bolg in his arsenal.
 
As Monarch said, Gil doesn't actively look into the future in this key. See: the entirety of Fate/stay night.

>cancel TLR's amps

That's not how feurochemy works. It stores natural strength with magic. The strength itself is mundane, the process is magical. So while he could stop TLR from tapping into his metalmind, he couldn't null his completely normal strength.

Gil wouldn't really have time to use a phantasm, realise TLR has regen, then deploy Harpe or Gae Bolg. Even then the former shouldn't work as TLR's healing is natural. See above, feurochemy just lets you store your mundane healing and acess it later. So Gil would have to specifically deploy Gae Bolg the moment the battle starts, otherwise TLR amps everything and chucks amped allomantic projectiles to Gil's face or just decks him.

The info analysis is part of the precog. As Monarch said using it isn't in-character of him in this key. Actually, even if he does, TLR's 7-B strength would make Gil laugh his ass off considering that's below even an average servant. He'd probably restrain himself even more if he knew TLR's strength. Meanwhile TLR would lose his shit and go all out if he knew what Gil could do.
 
Instantly/with a thought, although that depends entirely on how much he pulls out of his speed reserves. TLR likely wouldn't start until he realises how powerful Gil is, which his precog should help with.
 
I just want it to be known that even while restricted sni still tells gil servant identities and sometimes (in hercs case) their np
 
OK, TLR can counter Gáe Bolg only in case if he has some prior knowledge. He would use extra Fortune boost (combined with speed bubble perhaps) to completely deflect it. Still, luck cannot be measured that way and cannot be relied upon, copper compounding is not yet revealed (possible ability to gain knowledge), so I'll assume that if Gil resorts to Gáe Bolg, then it will hit.


Speaking of Regenerationn negation, I can add that feruchemy is end-neutral magic system. That means that no power is gained from the outside source which results kinda natural way of this magic. Allomancy on the other hand is end-positive magic system which means that power comes from the shard itself. Still this is a tricky question how this fact influences interaction with magic negation.


@Dargoo Faust, @Tdtd1234 has already voted, should this vote be taken into account?
 
Fortune in the Cosmere is very different from how it is in Fate, and I'm really not sure how it would interact with something like Gae Bolg. Even then I'm not entirely sure if TLR compounds fortune but it can be assumed he does due to him having a metalmind for it.

IMO both Feurochemy/Allomancy would be nulled by magic neg, it just wouldn't deplete Rashek's amps immediatly. It would age him to death rather fast, though.
 
Gil- 1 (Tdtd)

TLR - 5 (Apies, Smitt, O.m.nikk, Dragon, Xtas)
 
Gil- 1 (Tdtd)

TLR - 6 (Apies, Smitt, O.m.nikk, Dragon, Xtas, Phoenix)

o n e m o r e
 
We hit grace, boyos

Rashek's first match to be added unless we get spooked by Fate supporters
 
So how long does it take for the speed amps to work and how fast would tlr pull them out because if the answer for both is not instantly enkidu says hello
 
First, TLR's not divine so Enkidu just a strong chain he can brake with a good strength amp

Second, The amp itself is instant and a combonation of gold and pewter should allow him to survive Gil's first hit at which point he'll use the speed amp.
 
TLR isn't Divine at all as far as the Cosmere is concerned.

If he was borrowing power from a Shard, I guess verse equalization would let Endiku do it's thing, but Base!Rashek could just amp out of the chains.

IMO TLR wouldn't amp enough to blitz; keep in mind his speed rating comes from him consantly compounding. Amping further could dig into his reserves and leave him vulnerable, which TLR would really want to avoid.
 
Why?

He's just a full allomancer/feurochemist. While that's insanely powerful, it's nowhere near what the Cosmere would consider a "god".
 
I'm pretty sure that since his soul can wield the power of a god that would give him divinity by nasu standards
 
A transformation/amp giving you divinity doesn't let you retain it as far as Nasuverse is concerned.

Like, he's just being a conduit for Preservation's power by using the well. None of that is his own strength/ability. He wouldn't even be called a fomer/fallen god.
 
Considering all Allomancy is just channeling the power of preservation through metals, are you saying all Allomancers should count as divine? And any random fantasy priest that channels their god's power into spells?
 
I mean, Divine Spirits are made of magic.

That'd be similar to saying Flat Escardos has Divinity via having magical energy.
 
Atium is even considered a god metal but ok

Even if we say he isn't divine how much can he amp his strength because the only person who ever broke the chains with physical force is significantly stronger than tlr physically and he lacked any divinity at that point
 
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