Tier 1 AP & Range Separation?

[Antvasima]

I would also appreciate some help here.

 

[KLOL506]

Bump

@Ultima_Reality Pls help us

 

[KLOL506]

Bump. What is left to do here?

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT

 

[Antvasima]

Bump. What is left to do here?

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT

Your input help would be appreciated here.

 

[Antvasima]

What about you, @DarkGrath and @Qawsedf234 ?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody write a summary explanation post of the discussion so far here please?

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT @Qawsedf234 @DarkGrath

Your help would also be greatly appreciated here.

 

[Agnaa]

The main thing left is to improve the wording of my proposed definitions.

As a reminder, here's the motivation for this change:

Here's how that proposal came about:

• I noticed a hole within the higher ranges; Interdimensional only covered attacks that failed to cover a universal distance within a 5-D multiverse.
• I proposed changing Interdimensional to cover any attacks that fail to cover a universal distance within any spacetime greater than 3 dimensions.
• Ant didn't like this proposal and vetoed it, since he wanted Interdimensional to remain largely the same.
• In an attempt to still fix that hole in the system, I proposed Extradimensional, to attacks that fail to cover a universal distance within any spacetime greater than 5 dimensions.

If Ant has retracted his veto and Interdimensional can actually be changed to something sensical, I would prefer that.

If he hasn't, then I would defend that our hole within the range ratings still needs to be rectified by something like Extradimensional.

And these were the main two proposals for definitions:

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside of the conventional space-time of a single universe, in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse, or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside of the conventional space-time of a single universe, in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I find your first option for Extradimensional acceptable to apply.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside of the conventional space-time of a single universe, in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse, or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

Thank you. I find your first option for Extradimensional acceptable to apply.

@AKM sama @DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus @Mr. Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkGrath @Dereck03 @Planck69 Are you okay with adding this new range category?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Are you okay with adding this new range category?

I'm fine with the range update. Makes more sense anyways.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good from a glance.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you both for your input.

 

[Vietthai96]

And these were the main two proposals for definitions:

I choose option 1, but i want to add some nitpicks from my part

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside of the conventional space-time of a single universe, in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse or any higher dimensional structure (except 1-A and above), or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

 

[Antvasima]

I thought that our current definition of 1-A is not restricted by dimensions.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System#1-A:_Outerverse_level

 

[Vietthai96]

I thought that our current definition of 1-A is not restricted by dimensions.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System#1-A:_Outerverse_level

Yeah, that why i want to add except 1-A and above for safety reason, cause 1-A is not restrict to dimensions thus if a character have 1-A and above rating, then their range should just be Outerversal and above, and not adding an unnecessary Extradimensional rating into the range section. And also if someone not 1-A yet have 1-A extradimensional rating then it turn into an anti-feat for 1-A, there is also cases with character with smurf haxes but that is case-by-case thing, not general rule

 

[Antvasima]

I think that seems redundant and out of place to write there. My apologies.

 

[Vietthai96]

I think that seems redundant and out of place to write there. My apologies.

No problem, so what about the part

or any higher dimensional structure

What do you think??

 

[Antvasima]

I am very uncertain. What do you think, @Agnaa ?

 

[Agnaa]

I don't understand why you'd add something like that.

"realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse" is proper wording for both tiers like 1-B and High 1-A, as it should, since it doesn't really have anything to do with dimensions. And as you say, there are some niches where Extradimensional could still come up for 1-A/High 1-A characters, so there's no reason for us to explicitly exclude them.

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't understand why you'd add something like that.

"realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse" is proper wording for both tiers like 1-B and High 1-A, as it should, since it doesn't really have anything to do with dimensions. And as you say, there are some niches where Extradimensional could still come up for 1-A/High 1-A characters, so there's no reason for us to explicitly exclude them.

Aside from except 1-A and above stuffs which i already discussed with Ant, i thought that "outside standard multiverse" is simply just, multiverse (tier 2 only), so i thought of adding more words in case peoples don't understand, but well, probably i think too deep, anyway personally i think your option 1 is the best

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside of the conventional space-time of a single universe, in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse, or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

Thank you. I find your first option for Extradimensional acceptable to apply.

@AKM sama @DontTalkDT @Mr. Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkGrath @Dereck03 @Planck69 Are you okay with adding this new range category? We still need a few more approvals.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside of the conventional space-time of a single universe, in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse, or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

Thank you. I find your first option for Extradimensional acceptable to apply.

@AKM sama @DontTalkDT @Mr. Bambu @Just_a_Random_Butler @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @DarkGrath @Dereck03 @Planck69 Are you okay with adding this new range category? We still need a few more approvals.

 

[Planck69]

Seems fine to me.

 

[Elizhaa]

It works for me.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside of the conventional space-time of a single universe, in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse, or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

Thank you. I find your first option for Extradimensional acceptable to apply.

@AKM sama @DontTalkDT @Mr. Bambu @Just_a_Random_Butler @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @DarkGrath @Dereck03 Are you okay with adding this new range category? We still need a bit more feedback.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Extradimensional seems fine to me.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I'm fine with the range update. Makes more sense anyways.

Looks good from a glance.

Seems fine to me.

It works for me.

Extradimensional seems fine to me.

@Antvasima Can I apply this now?

 

[Antvasima]

I think so, yes. Thanks a lot for helping out.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I think so, yes. Thanks a lot for helping out.

Done. @Antvasima @Agnaa If there's nothing else, we can close this thread.

Range

Range is a measurement that refers to how far that the attacks or abilities of a certain character, weapon, or otherwise, can efficiently reach on their/its own. For more information about different units of length, please see this page. However, a general guide for categorizing range has been...

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[Agnaa]

Do you think it might be worthwhile keeping this thread open for a few days to a week to answer any questions about the new rating?

If not, I can close this.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Do you think it might be worthwhile keeping this thread open for a few days to a week to answer any questions about the new rating?

If not, I can close this.

@Antvasima Could you add this change to your recent announcements thread?

 

[Vietthai96]

So.....since the new range rating is up, is a CRT needed to add it to profile, or we can add it now??

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

So.....since the new range rating is up, is a CRT needed to add it to profile, or we can add it now??

A CRT is always needed for profile changes.

 

[Antvasima]

@Antvasima Could you add this change to your recent announcements thread?

What should I write there, more specifically?

 

[Agnaa]

Maybe something like:

A new range rating has been added, Extradimensional:

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside of the conventional space-time of a single universe, in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse, or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

If you know a profile where that rating seems fitting, please make a Content Revision Thread to get it added.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I will add that then.

 

[Antvasima]

Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

 

[Agnaa]

At this point it's fine to close; I'll go do that.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.