CanineAnnoyer
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The White Light from the book of the same name
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Tier 0 characters in the new tiering system
- Thread starter Hirotoswnn1x
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Since the new requirements are in short
A tier 0 cannot undergo any form of change whatsoever
There can only be one tier 0 character from a verse
A tier 0 cannot be surpassed or have peers of similar equivalency
A tier 0 can't have parts
A tier 0 can't be part of a hierarchy
A character can't "become" tier 0
There can't be a character that has tier 0 power, but some nature distinct from that
Then some of the ones I can name off the top of my head are
Self Reference-ENGINE (Self Reference-ENGINE)
The Dharmakaya (Journey To The West)
The Star Maker (Star Maker)
Essential Divinity (World Of Darkness)
The Clear Light (Twin Peaks)
The White Light (Transrealist)
The Luminous Being (Dungeons and Dragons)
The One (The Divine Comedy)
God (Unsong)
The Supreme Archetype (Cthulhu Mythos)
Possibly The Light (Dark Siders)
Possibly The One (Transformers)
Possibly Gan (The Dark Tower)
Possibly Mana-Yood-Sushai (Dunsanyverse)
Possibly Eru Illuvatar (Lord Of The Rings)
Possibly The Amaranth (The Elder Scrolls)
Possibly The Magician (Seekers Into The Mystery)
A tier 0 cannot undergo any form of change whatsoever
There can only be one tier 0 character from a verse
A tier 0 cannot be surpassed or have peers of similar equivalency
A tier 0 can't have parts
A tier 0 can't be part of a hierarchy
A character can't "become" tier 0
There can't be a character that has tier 0 power, but some nature distinct from that
Then some of the ones I can name off the top of my head are
Self Reference-ENGINE (Self Reference-ENGINE)
The Dharmakaya (Journey To The West)
The Star Maker (Star Maker)
Essential Divinity (World Of Darkness)
The Clear Light (Twin Peaks)
The White Light (Transrealist)
The Luminous Being (Dungeons and Dragons)
The One (The Divine Comedy)
God (Unsong)
The Supreme Archetype (Cthulhu Mythos)
Possibly The Light (Dark Siders)
Possibly The One (Transformers)
Possibly Gan (The Dark Tower)
Possibly Mana-Yood-Sushai (Dunsanyverse)
Possibly Eru Illuvatar (Lord Of The Rings)
Possibly The Amaranth (The Elder Scrolls)
Possibly The Magician (Seekers Into The Mystery)
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Huh. So a Tier 0 character must start as 0, always have been 0, and always be 0?
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a tier 0 also cant "start as" they have to be timeless/eternal
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I'm pretty sure these three were confirmed to be 0.
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Suppose a character wields powers derived from the tier 0 thing, entity or cosmic force. It would't disqualify the tier 0 rating right?
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If that's certain “thing” was always 0 just say in a different state of being, probably. If not then yeah it’s a disqualification.
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Wouldn't, no. Unless this wielding happens through a literal division of the Tier 0's power into the level of the lower character.
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For High 1-A+ the precedence from what determines it is by ranking, correct? Say for example all Creation was embodied by a being via through what 0 could make, but that same Creation is preceded and transcended by a Void that holds it. Then the Void is the apex of the Cosmology and is High 1-A+ while the other is the lower variant?
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Tier 0 transformers, LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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I can see arguments for Aru and The Magician, but the Amaranth isn't even a character who has a consciousness or identity, but rather a primordial force who is more homogenous to a scaffold for the setting itself. As for my take, ANU quite literally manifesting a statehood of Amaranth solidifies it more as a High-1A and High-1A+ Relationship rather than a High-1A+ and Tier 0 courtship
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Never thought I'd see the day where Transformers is able to out scale SCP, guess that's the beauty of having consistency don't you think?
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So, ANU accessing the statehood of the Amaranth didn't make ANU dissolve into the primordial force beyond Aurbis? I mean what happens when becoming one with it when you access a limitless state of being that unifies all things?
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We'll get to that when we get to that. (The rest of the verse is in disrepair)
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How about nuking the verse…haha kidding. Just so we’re clear how are we going to handle the “Supreme Archetype” for Lovecraft?
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What Ultima said above. The verse should reconstructed before we get to scaling, TES right now is plagued with expired links, profiles that don't even exist or were deleted and were never truly removed on the official page, and outdated profiles not in the sense of just outdated scaling, but misunderstanding of source material in of itself.
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Good. Was worried for a sec.
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Not after what was shown in Defenders: Beyond #5
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It is if my thread gets accepted.
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I've also found this to be a problem with the Engine's first key, as it's described as on quote "being a successor/descendant of the first computing machines"
Then again, the being speaking to you was just a shell/avatar of the Engine's true self, which only manifested to narrate the book in of itself, after which it "ceases" operations and closes in on the end of all literature and the book itself
CanineAnnoyer
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I think the SRE was confrimed to be High 1-A+
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I heard there probably isn't an actual true form and that it actually just ends it's own life.
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Right now it meets nearly all the requirements
It's not part of any hierarchy, It indirectly lacks the concept of opposition, it's the entirety of the setting itself, it's not split into parts and doesn't go under change since the shell is just an avatar of the true self.
Right now, the only real issue I see is the statement about being a successor, which is most likely ideation, as the even the Engine's shell is described as being completely nonexistent, existent, and beyond both in relationship to all possible character strings (all possible fiction). Existing as a being that is both existing beyond applicability, not existing, beyond both states and encompassing them.
You could also make an argument that Tier-0's lack description entirely and the Transduality that the Engine show's would disqualify it, but that would be killing every shown Tier-0 anyway
The actual Engine is, very simply, the physical book and all possible literature, it's the pinnacle of ineffability.
So
I view this more as either a
Tier 0 (Shell)
Tier 0 (The Absolute Nothingness)
Or a
High-1A+ (Shell)
Tier 0 (The Absolute Nothingness)
