Tiamat versus Yogiri Takatou

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Speed equalised.

Tiamat (Fate):

Yogiri Takatou: 4 (Diinou HotHead, YungManzi, EmperorDoom25, TheMonsterOfTheAbyss)

Inconclusive:

 

[Blackcurrant91]

I think Yogiri's instant death might actually be slightly higher then the Tiamats resistance.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Can he kill type 5s?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Yeah.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

What if he takes a bath in Tiamat's mud?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Unless the mud can somehow get him past immessureable reactions/attack speed.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Wait, speed unequal? Won't that make Takatou just blitz Tiamat with 2C DeathMani?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I can equalise.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Yogiri can still somehow to react to Immessureables so he likely still strikes first.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

If it's equalized, it's either Tiamat get InstaDeathed or Takatou takes a nice bath.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

The mud is passive.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

It doesn't come out with infinite speed, though. Or is it already there? I just realised that, under standard battle assumptions, Tiamat is forced onto land.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Passivley producing immessurable speed mud is pretttttyyy good. Might be less straight forward then I thought.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

It doesn't come out with infinite speed, though. Or is it already there? I just realised that, under standard battle assumptions, Tiamat is forced onto land.

Don't really know, but it covers the underworld real fast. And yeah, she passively produced it.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Passives doesnt work on Yogiri tho

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

It doesn't work because his Immeasurable speed, from what I see.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Also, what Tiamat has to counter Yogiri's fatehax that passively protects him from dying?

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Tiamat's only wincon in a speed equalized state looks like her Chaos Tide which transmute the victim into her minion (it doesn't involve killing)

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yogiri can react to killing intent and also any possible harm towards him via precog+enhanced senses

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

He should already know Tiamat's gonna kill him the moment the fight starts anyway.

Maybe he tries InstaDeathing her? Which if speed is equalized, both attack hit like the same time and I think it's an incon.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If she also kills with a thought (or something like that) then it would be an incon with speed equal, yes

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Yeah this probs incon.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

So yeah, if speed's not equalized, Takatou violently curbstomps, if it's equalized, I'll vote incon for reasons above.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Tiamat's authority is more than just the mud if I remember a statement from Babylonia correctly justbbeing near her gets you hit with her authority

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

They are 4km apart tho

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Eh, don't think it was that close when the statement was made so eh

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

That reminds me that she should have Biological Manipulation & Transmutation on her.

 

[YungManzi]

Bump Wump.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Yeah I don't know about the Authority thing, that depends more on the range of it although I certainly don't recall it having 4km range or more.

The mud would still have to cover the 4 KM area under speed equalized so Yogiri could kill the Mud or Tiamat before the Mud reaches him, so this isn't necessarily incolcusiive.

Yogiri could possibly kill Tiamat's authority as well since allegedly he can kill anything as long as he can recognize it as a threat and he has killed the suction of souls under the area of a barrier.

I vote for Yogiri.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

@TheGodOfProcrastination

Equalize the speed pls, otherwise Yogiri just blitzes

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Yeah I don't know about the Authority thing, that depends more on the range of it although I certainly don't recall it having 4km range or more.
The mud would still have to cover the 4 KM area under speed equalized so Yogiri could kill the Mud or Tiamat before the Mud reaches him, so this isn't necessarily incolcusiive.

Yogiri could possibly kill Tiamat's authority as well since allegedly he can kill anything as long as he can recognize it as a threat and he has killed the suction of souls under the area of a barrier.

I vote for Yogiri.

Won't the InstaKill's speed get equalized too, though?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

That's one problem with speed equalised, characters would be confused by the different ratios between their speeds. Unless it only changes their average speeds to be the same... I might unequalise it, again.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Won't the InstaKill's speed get equalized too, though?

Is the mud instant? Because Yogiri only needs to think and his ID instantly kills the target

 

[PhantomØ4]

Yes, Instant Death wouldn't have immeasurable self activation speed. But it doesn't really change the fact that Instant Death is thought based and even intent based when it self activates and on top of that it manifests on the desired spatial location rather than "travels". On the other hand Tiamat's mud needs to travel towards Yogiri and reach him, so the inconclusive reasoning of "they both hit each other at the same time" doesn't really work.

Even supposing that instant death does get affected and "travels" as fast as the mud Yogiri or ID would just kill the Mud, there's literally nothing stopping him from doing it.

TL;DR: This isn't inconclusive.

 

[PhantomØ4]

@TheGodOfProcrastination

With apeed unequalized Yogiri would just blitz Tiamat with Instant Death like he did against the Heavenly Record Eater.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Hmm... So that's how it works. Well, I might as well change the vote to Takatou then, not like Tiamat has something else to do against Takatou anyway, and her closest wincon is inferior to his, sooooo

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

She does have EX luck when even less than E luck is enough to stop people from just keeling over and dying every second in addition to lacking a concept of death.

Her Authority should also give her resistance to death manipulation on top of that.

 

[YungManzi]

Yogiri negs "immunity" to instant death attacks.

So him, FRA.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yeah, Yogiri FRA

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

She does have EX luck when even less than E luck is enough to stop people from just keeling over and dying every second in addition to lacking a concept of death.
Her Authority should also give her resistance to death manipulation on top of that.

Yogiri negates resistance, and his ID is beyond fate/luck