Thresh vs Giratina

[Yobo_Blue]

Pokemon's tiering doesnt trump LoL as LoL has countless layers of countless universes due to Ekko's powers

Are we really going back to that?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes because its legitimate

Every universe, of which there are countless, has an Ekko

Every Ekko creates countless timelines with the Z-Drive (As stated by death herself) which each have an Ekko which does the same

 

[Rocker1189]

The 2-B comes from a statement about Dark Stars being able to end all of existence.
And the multiverse size comes from Kindred, the concept of death that exists through all of space-time talking about Ekko and his countless lifes. Every use of his time travel generates a new timeline or too, and each timeline is a new "life".

This is what schro brought that we forgot, it proves thresh's tier.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Each travel creates a new timeline. That doesn't multiply, that adds. So no, not layers

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Each travel creates a new timeline. That doesn't multiply, that adds. So no, not layers

Each travel creates a branching timeline so yes it does in fact multiply

 

[Rocker1189]

I dont get what you mean by layers. Each timeline is an entirely new universe which adds to the countless.

 

[Rocker1189]

And when that happens there is a new ekko who does it again. It literally increases exponetially.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Every universe, of which there are countless, has an Ekko

Every Ekko creates countless timelines with the Z-Drive (As stated by death herself) which each have an Ekko which does the same

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

And you can prove this how?

 

[Rocker1189]

And you can prove this how?

Simple, Death (Kindred) talks about the fact that she has seen Ekko across several timelines.

Ekko's Z-drive creates an alternate timeline that he hopes to. Now there are 2 timeline with Ekko (for example) proven by his Z-drive skill where he brings a temporal clone of him from another time line.

Darks stars are stated to eat all of existence (this ofcourse includes all the times lines).

The alternate timelines are also proven by the pulse fire skins that literally hop inbetween time periods and time lines.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Seen Ekko across timelines =/= they're all different Ekkos.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Cal Ekko literally breaks the space-time continuum and creates multiple splintered timelines:

"His hands couldn't keep up with the ideas his mind had for the crystal. During one of his less-than-scientific experiments, the gem exploded into a vortex of shimmering dust, triggering eddies of temporal distortion. Ekko opened his eyes to see several splintered realities - and several Chronobreak 'echo' versions of himself - staring back in sheer panic amid the fractured continua. "

 

[Rocker1189]

Seen Ekko across timelines =/= they're all different Ekkos.

??? I just said this is proven by the clone of him he calls to throw out the time bomb.

 

[Rocker1189]

@Cal Ekko literally breaks the space-time continuum and creates multiple splintered timelines:

"His hands couldn't keep up with the ideas his mind had for the crystal. During one of his less-than-scientific experiments, the gem exploded into a vortex of shimmering dust, triggering eddies of temporal distortion. Ekko opened his eyes to see several splintered realities - and several Chronobreak 'echo' versions of himself - staring back in sheer panic amid the fractured continua. "

Lmao 2 timelines was a low end then.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

WoG also states that he splits the timeline every time he uses his rewind, and he's capable of rewinding 200 times in 30 seconds, or 6 times a second

 

[Wokistan]

Several=/=countless though.

 

[Rocker1189]

Several=/=countless though.

The point is the time lines are increasing exponentially

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

If you're talking about what I'm thinking of, Azelf was amped by a willpower bond with Ash when he destroyed that black hole. Don't treat like it's his normal level.

There's nothing like this thats stated, all that happened was Ash and co. were telepathically linked with the Lake Trio.

This is very likely more the "Power of Friendship and Hope!!" kind of trope. Plus, since when does willpower = AP?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Several=/=countless though.

The point is each one goes on to do the same thing countless times, creating countless timelines in which the same thing happens over and over repeating the process as stated by the concept of death herself

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Plus, since when does willpower = AP?

Green Lantern

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Alright, since I'm about to hit the high seas again, I'll post one more thing (unless I change my mind).

One layer of "countless" for Pokémon also takes into account of alternate timelines, so that cancels out. And both, time and space have been growing since Arceus created D & P, and the multiverse with it, so they have been getting exponentially stronger since the beginning of Creation too if we're going that route. It doesn't change much either way.

 

[Kepekley23]

@Kukui

Except it was an actual bond with Ash and Azelf being linked in body as well. They used their bond so Azelf could destroy the black hole, the scene shows this.

 

[Supawa]

How does VSBW treat countless? And why are some countless bigger than others?

 

[Kepekley23]

We treat it as being in the vague "thousands" range.

 

[Supawa]

How about infinitely expanding multiverses?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Cal LoL countless is constantly growing exponentially stronger too as one ekko alone creates dozens to hundreds of branching timelines on a daily basis which follow the pattern of creation

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

So...just found out that Ekko ''destroys'' the previous timeline he occupied. That impacts a lot.

 

[SchroKatze]

He desroys it by splitting it into two new timelines

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

"every time he travels backwards in time, he shatters the timeline he occupied at the time, and all of its possibilities"

The previous part mentions splitting timelines into two, but the profile's second part doesn't sound like that.

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah he is destroying the previous time line and filling it with multiple timelines instead.

 

[Rocker1189]

Just going to say that at the rte ekko shatters time lines in 2 and a half minutes he creates 3.2e11 universes.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I still have yet to see this creation and filling with multiple timelines. All I see is him looking into more timelines.

There's also the point that the countless status is being overblown. Ekko isn't immortal, is only 17, and hasn't been able to do this forever. Characters who can do this as well have been relegated to 2-C, likely 2-B. We also don't know how many jumps Ekko made or anything of the sort. The best we can do is add another layer of countless.

 

[Rocker1189]

Weekly literally provided a quote of that above.

 

[Rocker1189]

You did not see the triggering eddies of temporal distortions?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I edited my comment. And I did. All that proves is that there's alternate timelines with him and that he breached a gap.

 

[PaChi2]

wasnt Cal supposed to be in a cruise?

 

[Rocker1189]

I edited my comment. And I did. All that proves is that there's alternate timelines with him and that he breached a gap.

It literally satys that he triggers the other timelines.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Triggering temporal distortions =/= triggering the creation of other timelines.

 

[PaChi2]

Triggering temporal distortions =/= triggering the creation of other timelines.

Why arent you so literal with pokemon? Huh.

 

[SchroKatze]

Ekko uses his time travel every single time he fails on something. He is a perfeccionist, so he tries to make everyhing perfect via his time travel.