Thor vs. Scarlet Witch (MCU)

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

<Not smart

Was still a trained gladiator, he still had some experience

<Got trashed

He was still dodging her attacks and outmanuevering them. if we include trashings, we should also put her getting bullied by the fodder black order

<Minions not comparable

There were thousnads of them and surtur and thor beat then up without a sweat

< You know that's where we get our class T from

 

[Schnee_One]

SW has Class T, read her file.

Hulk was never a trained Gladiator, where is this coming from? He brute forces 99% of the time.

Minions are minions, they are fodder.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

He spent years of training in sakaar as a gladiator

 

[Schnee_One]

He spent years on Sakaar, no idea where him being trained comes from when he doesn't even need to train there

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Training, by, I don't know, fighting other opponents for years. Hulk had years of fighting experience when Thor defeated him.

By the way, hulk even says that he trains in the movie, that is what he said he will do after the match

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Lost to Proxima? Nani? She was getting sneak attacked and still matched Proxima. The omly times she got hit were when she beat Proxima and was focused on saving Vision's trash combat ability.

For reference, Proxima was 1v2 against Cap and Widow, who have by far the best direct skill feats in the verse and far better than Thor, and couldn't get tagged once. Proxima them 1v2'd Widow and Okoye, the latter who could successfully beat a super soldier with the help of 2 other royal guards. A few 9-Bs were so skilled they could beat an 8-C despite him being able to one shot all of them. Compare this to Widow and 13 vs Bucky who could barely do a thing to him when he was trying to leave and didn't even defend himself against their attacks. That is what 9-Bs against an 8-C should look like, not getting matched and overpowered (in the sense that he is losing the fight) despite them trying to restrain and not kill while he is going for the kill.

Tl;dr: distracted Wanda > Proxima >>> Widow and Okoye > Widow and Cap > Widow = Hawkeye > Okoye >> Killmonger >= T'Challa > Bucky = Cap > Elevator Scene > Rumlow/13/big guy in Thor 1 >= nameless Shield agents = best in the world. Where is Thor on this list, you ask? He goes near the very bottom while Wanda dominates literally everyone in the verse bar Proxima, possibly Gamora and maybe Nebula.

Inb4 someone says Wanda used her powers when fighting Proxima, pay attention to what she uses them for most of the time, catching the spear that would one shot her a bit before they hit her hands.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

He says close combat, SW was using energy blasts and throwing proxima, that's not skill. SW doesn't know any martial arts or fist fighting experience

She was using her powers when she was fighting proxima with her spear. She may have dodged her attacks, but congrats, Thor dodged attacks as well

 

[AnonymousBlank]

https://youtu.be/7b7fBshO630

Maybe watch the scene in question. The only time she throws Proxima is when Vision screams and she is already gripping the blade with her TK right before it hit her. Energy blasts? Like the one Proxima had to use because her skill wasn't enough to touch Wanda.

The lengths people go to to defend Thor is absurd. He and Hulk are literally the bar for anyone of semi note. Its why they get bitched in every other movie like the jobbers they are.

Edit: Also

>throwing isn't skill

>laughs in muhfuckin judo

Good job ignoring literally everything that makes Thor trash in terms of skill.

Beating Hulk is not a skill feat, 2 years of one shotting fodder is not skill, its strength. Thor (> best in the world) wasn't even trying to beat him. Hulk has no skill whatsoever which WoG even supports.

Thor never fought anyone as skilled as Proxima, Wanda or anyone in the scaling chain until the bottom feeders.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Mind Stone isn't exactly the source of Wanda's powers. In AoU prelude, It's stated that what the scepter would do is unlock abilities within the Maximoff Twins. Interview-wise, is Stated that either the Mind stone awakened something within Wanda or altered her, bestowing her powers.

She didn't. And she wasn't even focused on them but on protecting Vision.

Iirc she was asked to kill vision because only the stones and destroy the stones so while she isn't actually using the stine its what her powers come from like captain marvel

 

[Kidkinsey]

@One Thor didnt get thrased when he became awakened iirc he actually landed more hits amd was able to dodge her And thor holding open the rings being scaled to His AP is rather weird

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Iirc she was asked to kill vision because only the stones and destroy the stones

This was discussed on it's moment and it was concluded that the statement was about Wanda's own power being that big. It's actually on her profile.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@Kid

Gar meant that the topic is about AP not that the deat was an AP one. It is but its just trash compared to what he is at.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

https://youtu.be/7b7fBshO630Maybe watch the scene in question. The only time she throws Proxima is when Vision screams and she is already gripping the blade with her TK right before it hit her. Energy blasts? Like the one Proxima had to use because her skill wasn't enough to touch Wanda.
The lengths people go to to defend Thor is absurd. He and Hulk are literally the bar for anyone of semi note. Its why they get bitched in every other movie like the jobbers they are.

Edit: Also

>throwing isn't skill

>laughs in muhfuckin judo

Good job ignoring literally everything that makes Thor trash in terms of skill.

Beating Hulk is not a skill feat, 2 years of one shotting fodder is not skill, its strength. Thor (> best in the world) wasn't even trying to beat him. Hulk has no skill whatsoever which WoG even supports.

Thor never fought anyone as skilled as Proxima, Wanda or anyone in the scaling chain until the bottom feeders.

She threw her with powers, not base skill

Thor was trying to beat him. Also, Like I said before, Sakaar hulk was a gladiator with fighting experience with the years he trained, later on, he managed to block and dodge attacks from hela

Wanda isn't skilled, like at all

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Good lord, your comprehension is either ass or you refuse to accept feats. She throws her with her powers, yes, but the act of her keeping up with and blocking everything in what is cqc range and right before it hits her much like she would if she wasn't a glass cannon makes her skilled. Just because someone is using their powers doesn't take away from their skill when its only purpose in the situation is to make up for a statistical disadvantage.

No he wasnt. He was trying to talk to him and eventually got fed up. Hulk was trash when Thor wasnt trying and he was still trash when Thor was. Getting angry was his only saving grace in that fight.

This might mean something if it wasn't just your opinion.

 

[Kidkinsey]

assuming wanda leads with thanos crush this is what will happen imo

wanda lifts thors up (which takes use of atleast one hand) she attmepts to peal his armor then limbs off (which takes a hand) thor summongs lighting from the sky (which he dosent need his hands to do check ragnorok) that she HAS to dodge since her durablity without shileds is bad and if she decides to block she had to use her hands so she will have to release thor, her cursh takes time and i dont see it succesfully working where as thor

can oneshot with lighting, physical blows or stormbreaker, thor wont struggle to get in like thanos because thanos has to answer to her projectiles where as thor can counter with his lightning, and there are even scenes when he is awakened where simply getting close to him gets you electrocuted

and for that i vote thor

 

[Gemmysaur]

Not voting yet, but I'd just like to note something. Of the cannon barrage from Thanos' ship, a stray shot landed near Wanda, and despite her arms raising and powered up, ended with her being flung away like a ragdoll. Meanwhile, said barrage completely totalled the Avengers facility, after which we were shown Thor was just standing there, watching Thanos like he wasn't even caught in the explosion that destroyed the whole building, which he was, since Cap was out cold, the others were underground, and Tony was just getting up.

As I said, not voting yet, but I'm still building up my case for Thor in my off time.

 

[Schnee_One]

@Kidkinsey I already debunked the idea of him summoning lightning without the use of his hands, he did that once with Hela and it's a part of his attacks, but he cannot summon lightning while being restrained

Also it's not going to take anywhere near as much time, since Thanos is much weaker then Thor.

 

[Kidkinsey]

But even on the bridge scene all he does is land and 4 bolts of lightning shoot down, where is it stated on implied that while restrained he cant bring lightning down? Just him getting mad causes storms

Also if thanos was MUCH stronger then thor then he would have easily drove stormbreaker into a Endgame beatup thors chest,not to mention he standing over him so has the help of gravity IW thor>EG thor>EG beatup thor

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@Kid

You'd need to show Thor calling down lightning on people as he has only called it on people 10 meters away at most while Wanda starts well out of that range.

Gravity makes absolutely no difference at their level of strengh and that is a contest of lifting strength not AP. Thanos >>> IW Thor's AP without Stormbreaker.

@Asura

The stuff that destroyed the base were missiles fired from the center of the ship while the lasers that rained fire later came from the wings. The comparison of Thor being fine doesn't work when its not even the same attack/projectile. Wanda's shield was also not struck by the laser but the ground next to her where she wasn't even blocking.

 

[Schnee_One]

Pushing back storm breaker from a smiling Thanos after getting knocked on his ass by a casual hit is not only irrelevant as that's lifting strength but also just plain wrong.

 

[Kidkinsey]

@one casual hit? thanos pushed him onto a rock punched him in the face twice threw him threw a rock stomped on his face then punched him in the face and thor was still able to resist being impaled and im not sure why the smile matters i thought we established EG thanos is bloodlusted and serious, and i bought it up to say that thor is THAT weaker then thanos espacilly IW

@blank what range is wanda starting at? and to say the god of thunders range is 10 meters when we know he can summon thunder clouds and make tornadoes seems rather off

 

[Schnee_One]

The smile matters because doneknevwhod clearly smiling while on the offense is obviously not giving their all and by that point is just enjoying the fight

E.G. Thanos is bloodlusted and serious, Witch still lol crushed him if not for the cannons on the ship.

Witch is starting at her maximum range

 

[MrKerf]

Bump?