Thor vs. Scarlet Witch (MCU)

[The_Wright_Way]

Why wouldn't she know? She's familiar withThor and his capabilities.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Yes she's a telepath but she dosent have spider sense, she didnt know the black order was sneaking up on her and vision why would she know an axe she dodged is circling around to kill her?

 

[Schnee_One]

Why would she think shes clear? She's seen Thor and knows how Stormbreaker works.

Why would her redirecting it give him an opening

1. She can use both hands perfectly fine.

2. She's stronger

3. Can make forcefields

4. THor won't have Stormbreaker to attack, only punching

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Why wouldn't she know? She's familiar withThor and his capabilities.

SBA says they don't know each other at all, she doesn't know about thor or stormbreaker

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

she didnt know the black order was sneaking up on her and vision why would she know an axe she dodged is circling around to kill her?

She wasn't even using her powers at that moment. 'Sides, she does has Extrasensory perception seeing her reaction towards Pietro's death.

Anyways, I'll give you that she doesn't seems to overuse that ability.

 

[Schnee_One]

SBA says they don't know each other at all

Standard Battle Assumptions

Thing is they in verse know eachother

 

[The_Wright_Way]

SBA says they don't know each other at all

SBA says no prior knowledge. It says nothing about pretending two characters who know each other developing spontaneous amnesia about their past history.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

That is in their verse.

Were doing a SBA VS Match, yes they know who they are in verse but they won't here

 

[Schnee_One]

We're doing an in verse match, not a standard battle

SBA doesn't grant knowledge

It does not take it away

 

[The_Wright_Way]

@Blue Make a CRT about it, you are literally the first person who has ever tried to claim that two characters with prior history wouldn't know each other.

@Monkey you don't need to specify if SBA is applicable. It's just assumed unless you say otherwise.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Why would she think shes clear? She's seen Thor and knows how Stormbreaker works.

Why would her redirecting it give him an opening

1. She can use both hands perfectly fine.

2. She's stronger

3. Can make forcefields

4. THor won't have Stormbreaker to attack, only punching

Id assume her redirecting it takes use of her hands she can't just sit there with her arms crossed moving things especially something as strong as that How is she confirmed stronger? Thor was capable on one shotting thanos IG beam> her forcefields and thor has already rippped through it, and yes she knows thor but I dont recall her seeing him using telekenis with his weapons

 

[The_Wright_Way]

With Stormbreaker. Which she can just dodge. Without it, he's weaker.

 

[Schnee_One]

Thanos with his 5 beams after he got them is completely unquantifiable, and that was WITH stormbreaker Throw, which is exlplicitly far stronger then he it

Scarlet Witch defeats Thanos

Thanos stomps Thor

Easy.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Why would she think shes clear? She's seen Thor and knows how Stormbreaker works.
Why would her redirecting it give him an opening

1. She can use both hands perfectly fine.

2. She's stronger

3. Can make forcefields

4. THor won't have Stormbreaker to attack, only punching

Thor can make lightning with his hands, thor is faster, and once SW gets touched by him she's dead

 

[Kidkinsey]

He doesn't need stormbreaker to knock her out tho a causal thanos slap did it surely awakened thor is THAT far behind

Can we quantify her forcefields? Whats to say it can successfully block his attacks, And she beat thanos because he had no mid or even long range moves, Thor does

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Thanos also casually kicked Thor's ass so.....

Why would we assume they're to weak to block Thor's moves?

 

[Schnee_One]

With his Hands

Which get restrained by TK

Since when is Thor faster? They even scale to the same feat

 

[Schnee_One]

He doesn't need stormbreaker to knock her out tho a causal thanos slap did it surely awakened thor is THAT far behind

Can we quantify her forcefields? Whats to say it can successfully block his attacks, And she beat thanos because he had no mid or even long range moves, Thor does

Probably the fact that she blocked Thanos's sword.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Because he is better in close combat and that was a thor heavily out of shape and didnt fight for 5 years, Thanos NEEDED to get close to Wanda and she is capable of zoning him, she cant zone thor because he can throw lightning back

 

[Kidkinsey]

She blocked it using both hands that wasnt a forcefield

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Because he is better in close combat and that was a thor heavily out of shape and didnt fight for 5 years, Thanos NEEDED to get close to Wanda and she is capable of zoning him, she cant zone thor because he can throw lightning back

You forget the opening of Infinity War dude?

 

[Kidkinsey]

And thor doesn't NEED his hands to bring lighting down like sasuke and kirin, look at the end of ragnarok

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Not sure why anyone is bringing up speed here. Wanda bodied Thanos who stomped Thor, safe to say the argument is stupid and should be dropped.

Her forcefields are just her TK, ie snaps HeliSword > base Thanos > Thor.

Lets see, his lightning is useless since she blocks or just overpowers it, his fligjt is useless as she will slam him into the dirt, he can't tango in cqc since she outskills, throwing Stormbreaker is useless cuz she just stops/redirects it and he will just be weaker for it, she already knows how his stuff works so recalling it is weak sauce too, and she can just mind hax him for old times sake.

 

[Schnee_One]

My God we are arguing sematics at this point

Fine, the ability she used to block an attack from someone who beats Thor for Breakfast is not technically a forcefield, big Whoop.

Thor got bitchslapped by Thanos in Infinity War as well so that argument doesn't hold up either

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Thor's lightning is MHS+, Wanda is only MHS. Wanda can't react to thor's lightning

 

[Kidkinsey]

My God we are arguing sematics at this point

Fine, the ability she used to block an attack from someone who beats Thor for Breakfast is not technically a forcefield, big Whoop.

Thor got bitchslapped by Thanos in Infinity War as well so that argument doesn't hold up either

When you said forcrfield i was under the impression u were saying while she is trying to crush thor if he attempted to use lightning she would just summon a forcefield to block it garra style

And if you are referring to the start of infinity war i could make the argument that thanos and the black order jumped thor, hulk was in the back waiting for the sneak attack loki was untouched and valkyrie and korg both fled

 

[Schnee_One]

Thor's lightning is MHS+, Wanda is only MHS. Wanda can't react to thor's lightning

Lightning Feats

Dodging Lightning can be as slow as Mach 292 such as Esdeath

Besides if it was so undodgeable why couldn't he hit Thanos with it.

 

[Schnee_One]

@Kid

The Black Order jumped Thor? So what? They're fodder to him outside of Maw who wasn't even fighting, hell none of them were fighting, just killing Surviviors.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

He did, thanos came right back up.

Thor got jumped and hurt on the ship, that's why he went and charged him with a knife

 

[Schnee_One]

Thanos blocked every Lightning strike from him.

Already debunked this second point

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Um no he didn't, Thor hit a lightning strike at thanos in IW, Thanos came right back up

 

[Kidkinsey]

Not sure why anyone is bringing up speed here. Wanda bodied Thanos who stomped Thor, safe to say the argument is stupid and should be dropped.

Her forcefields are just her TK, ie snaps HeliSword > base Thanos > Thor.

Lets see, his lightning is useless since she blocks or just overpowers it, his fligjt is useless as she will slam him into the dirt, he can't tango in cqc since she outskills, throwing Stormbreaker is useless cuz she just stops/redirects it and he will just be weaker for it, she already knows how his stuff works so recalling it is weak sauce too, and she can just mind hax him for old times sake.

Didnt the Russo brothers or someday say stormbreaker counters the IG which is where wandas powers are from And how does she outskill in close combat? She lost to the black order member in CC and she zoned thanos u also don't see how her overpowering his lighting is a fact And its not simply that he can recall it it's that its a hazard she has to worry about, and you say redirect/stop it as if thor doesn't have control of it

 

[Schnee_One]

Um no he didn't, Thor hit a lightning strike at thanos in IW, Thanos came right back up

<Hit Thanos with Lightning

<Thanos didn't even see Thors surprise attack and he never did it once in Endgame

Cool so its not helpful, nice.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Wanda is FAR worse than thor in close combat

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Um no he didn't, Thor hit a lightning strike at thanos in IW, Thanos came right back up

<Hit Thanos with Lightning
<Thanos didn't even see Thors surprise attack and he never did it once in Endgame

Cool so its not helpful, nice.

the thor in Endgame was fat thor, not IW Thor

 

[Schnee_One]

@Kid

She lost in CQC? She ******* Yeeted one of them away while focusing entirely on Vision

Scarlet Witch has significantly better lifting strength then THor, she can grab it fine.

 

[Schnee_One]

<Hit Thanos with Lightning
<Thanos didn't even see Thors surprise attack and he never did it once in Endgame

Cool so its not helpful, nice.

the thor in Endgame was fat thor, not IW Thor

Can he not summon lightning in that form?

Of course he can, why is that an argument?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Thor defeated a gladiator hulk, Knows martial arts, fought hela, destroyed whole hordes of minions and weak surtur easily, fought iron man and cap, fought loki.

Thor has better lifting strength, he was the one who did the nidalleveir feat while SW did NOTHING on that level

Fat Thor isn't the same is IW Thor, how they fight is way different

 

[Schnee_One]

<Hulk

Hulk isn't even that smart in close combat?

<Hela

Trashed him

<Minions

Not even comparable, SW crushes Ultron sentries if that's your argument.

<Thor has better lifting strength, he was the one who did the nidalleveir feat while SW did NOTHING on that level

This is AP, not lifting strength.

Thanos stomps that Thor while SW was casually crushing THanos

So no, SW is stronger

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Mind Stone isn't exactly the source of Wanda's powers. In AoU prelude, It's stated that what the scepter would do is unlock abilities within the Maximoff Twins. Interview-wise, is Stated that either the Mind stone awakened something within Wanda or altered her, bestowing her powers.

She didn't. And she wasn't even focused on them but on protecting Vision.