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This experiment is...very, very interesting. What do you think?

Can the bones be touched normally? Or do you need soul manip to touch them since they target souls or something
 
TimmyTurnero said:
How does her touching him even allows her to win?
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Floating him to infinite height so win via BFR
GodlyCharmander said:
The wincon is not being countered, if she touches papyrus, she will still wins. The ways for her to get to touch him is what's being countered, and that's fair game.
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Uraraka's only way of winning gets hard countered. She can't dodge Papyrus' danmaku, she can't float to dodge, she gets dura negged, there's just no way for her to win.
 
Why CAN'T she dodge, if the attack is only coming from 2 directions, visible, & follows some pattern? Papyrus's Gravity Manipulation on the SOUL still allows jumping.
(Also, what's the source on Papyrus's Bone attacks interacting regularly with normal matter?)

But yeah, saying she has a reasonably achievable win condition feels a little... disingenuous, because:

A. Papyrus's barrage KOs her before she can get in range to physically touch him. (How fast this happens depends on if he durability negates or not.)
B. Because this is Speed Equalized, he could always keep at a distance while attacking, right? Equal travel speed, so if he can run away while constantly attacking, Ochako can never catch up, thus, making her win condition of touching him nigh-impossible.
 
Imaginym said:
Why CAN'T she dodge, if the attack is only coming from 2 directions, visible, & follows some pattern? Papyrus's Gravity Manipulation on the SOUL still allows jumping.
(Also, what's the source on Papyrus's Bone attacks interacting regularly with normal matter?)

But yeah, saying she has a reasonably achievable win condition feels a little... disingenuous, because:

A. Papyrus's barrage KOs her before she can get in range to physically touch him. (How fast this happens depends on if he durability negates or not.)
B. Because this is Speed Equalized, he could always keep at a distance while attacking, right? Equal travel speed, so if he can run away while constantly attacking, Ochako can never catch up, thus, making her win condition of touching him nigh-impossible.
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speed isn't equalized here.
 
I think I’m going to vote Papyrus FRA. I think Uraraka might have a chance but Papy will win more times than not. Papyrus will use his blue attack and keep her out of harms way with his bones which ignore conventional durability and her gravity will literally be negged by blue attack.
 
Why DOES Gravity Manipulation hard counter her, let alone ANY GM user?

Lifting Strength: Unknown, Class 5 with Zero Gravity (Can lift up to 3 tons with her Quirk) | Unknown (Stronger than before. The weight limit of her Quirk has been increased far beyond 3 tons) | Unknown

She obviously has non-zero values she can move with her GM, & the most we've seen Papyrus do is make a SOUL not able to float freely. It can still jump of course. & even if it is Frisk, Frisk probably doesn't weigh more than 3 tons.

So why does ANY Gravity Manipulation counter Uravity here, let alone Papyrus's?
 
Imaginym said:
Why DOES Gravity Manipulation hard counter her, let alone ANY GM user?

Lifting Strength: Unknown, Class 5 with Zero Gravity (Can lift up to 3 tons with her Quirk) | Unknown (Stronger than before. The weight limit of her Quirk has been increased far beyond 3 tons) | Unknown

She obviously has non-zero values she can move with her GM, & the most we've seen Papyrus do is make a SOUL not able to float freely. It can still jump of course. & even if it is Frisk, Frisk probably doesn't weigh more than 3 tons.

So why does ANY Gravity Manipulation counter Uravity here, let alone Papyrus's?
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Counter her literal power, levitation
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Counter her literal power, levitation
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Except that her Quirk isn't "Make things levitate", it's making things weightless, & she can do it to things with far more mass than anything Papyrus has used his Gravity Manipulation on.

Quoting her profile:
Zero Gravity: Uravity's Quirk allows her to manipulate the gravity around an object to make it weightless or float. She can use this for a variety of purposes, lightening loads, allowing her to take advantage of surrounding objects as weapons, and making others float to render them incapable of reaching others. By removing her own gravitational pull, Uravity is also capable of making herself float, increasing her mobility.


Yes she has Levitation:
Gravity Manipulation (Can manipulate gravity to make things float/weightless through touch and can turn it off by putting her fingers together to release), Levitation (Can use her Quirk on herself to float)


They're both Gravity Manipulation users, except hers has been used successfully on things with more mass than Papyrus's GM has been shown to work on.
 
Imaginym said:
Except that her Quirk isn't "Make things levitate", it's making things weightless, & she can do it to things with far more mass than anything Papyrus has used his Gravity Manipulation on.
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Which, any GM user can counter by making it have weight again. You know, since that's what gravity does
Imaginym said:
Quoting her profile:
Zero Gravity: Uravity's Quirk allows her to manipulate the gravity around an object to make it weightless or float. She can use this for a variety of purposes, lightening loads, allowing her to take advantage of surrounding objects as weapons, and making others float to render them incapable of reaching others. By removing her own gravitational pull, Uravity is also capable of making herself float, increasing her mobility.


Yes she has Levitation:
Gravity Manipulation (Can manipulate gravity to make things float/weightless through touch and can turn it off by putting her fingers together to release), Levitation (Can use her Quirk on herself to float)


They're both Gravity Manipulation users, except hers has been used successfully on things with more mass than Papyrus's GM has been shown to work on.
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It just makes the weight go to zero, have "0g", any GM user which can make things 1g can counter this.
The weight of the object is actually irrelevant to the situation. Gravity makes the weight, so either 1 gram or 1 ton, any GM can counter Uraraka's levitation, and her very limited GM.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Which, any GM user can counter by making it have weight again. You know, since that's what gravity does
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So then Ochako reapplies her quirk? & since her upper limit is higher, why would Papyrus win in a battle of attrition between these?
GodlyCharmander said:
It just makes the weight go to zero, have "0g", any GM user which can make things 1g can counter this.
The weight of the object is actually irrelevant to the situation. Gravity makes the weight, so either 1 gram or 1 ton, any GM can counter Uraraka's levitation, and her very limited GM.
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Reducing 3 tons to zero grams is a pretty big change. & things with less mass accelerate less quickly towards their terminal velocity under the pull of gravity; If the point is to lessen her levitation, only adding a small amount of mass won't make her fall much more quickly.

& if her effective mass/Gravity does get set to above 0 grams, why can't she just put it back to 0?

Not to mention, Papyrus giving her gravity might not be enough, depending how much.

If Uravity, without her quirk, weighs 62 kg & has a typical density of about 1000 kg/m3, then her volume is about 62,000 cm3.
& you said:
"any GM user which can make things 1g can counter this."
But Ochako's Quirk doesn't change her size, so her volume is unchanged, right?
Something with a volume of 62,000 cm3 & a mass of only 1 gram is lighter than air, & will float & rise in elevation.

& depending on her size -Surface area & all that- she may be able to rise quicker (Relatively speaking; Not quicker than if she'd used her Quirk.) into the air.
(I'd assume Ochako is probably larger than the SOUL in Undertale.)

1 gram / 62,000 cm3 = 0.000016129032258065 g/cm3.


So depending on how much Gravity he can apply to her, she might still float anyway, & even if he can, what stops her just reapplying her weightlessness?
 
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Imaginym said:
So then Ochako reapplies her quirk? & since her upper limit is higher, why would Papyrus win in a battle of attrition between these?

Reducing 3 tons to zero grams is a pretty big change. & things with less mass accelerate less quickly towards their terminal velocity under the pull of gravity; If the point is to lessen her levitation, only adding a small amount of mass won't make her fall much more quickly.

& if her effective mass/Gravity does get set to above 0 grams, why can't she just put it back to 0?

Not to mention, Papyrus giving her gravity might not be enough, depending how much.

If Uravity, without her quirk weighs 62 kg & has a typical density of 1000 kg/m3, then her volume is about 62,000 cm3.
& you said:
"any GM user which can make things 1g can counter this."
But Ochako's Quirk doesn't change her size, so her volume is unchanged, right?
Something with a volume of 62,000 cm3 & a mass of only 1 gram is lighter than air, & will float & rise in elevation.

& depending on her size -Surface area & all that- she may be able to rise quicker (Relatively speaking; Not quicker than if she'd used her Quirk.) into the air.
(I'd assume Ochako is probably larger than the SOUL in Undertale.)

1 gram / 62,000 cm3 = 0.000016129032258065 g/cm3.


So depending on how much Gravity he can apply to her, she might still float anyway, & even if he can, what stops her just reapplying her weightlessness?
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Gravity applied to soul=/=Gravity applied to physical objects

I believe that this logic is used here
 
Are people SERIOUSLY still arguing that Undertale soul hax one-shots? Never happened in-verse. Which means it'll never happen in a versus matchup. There needs to be a damn note on the pages at this point.
 
Imaginym said:
Then why are people using that to argue Papyrus could use his GM to prevent Ochako floating out of range?
Her body is a physical object.
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Because his form of gravity manipulation grounds flying souls, and as such ground Ochako.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Because his form of gravity manipulation grounds flying souls, and as such ground Ochako.
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I guess it makes some sense that the body wouldn't be able to move away from the Soul, & it might be a reasonable assumption that Ochako has a Soul.

But his GM only prevents levitation; The affected are apparently still able to move & jump, & Papyrus's moves do have patterns & allegedly, are visible. (Although, not knowing all of the measurements of his bone projectiles is frustrating.)

Still....

1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void said:
Uraraka accidentally fell to the underground and accidentally bumps into Papyrus. This time Papyrus attempts to commit child murder to join the royal guard.

Ochako Uraraka (U.A Beginnings Saga) vs Papyrus

both 10 meters apart

Ochako Uraraka has prior knowledge

Papyrus is eager to kill to join the Royal Guard

speed equalized

The battle takes place in snowdin
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Given the context, since Ochako should still have her skills, I'd assume she isn't that un-agile. & importantly, prior knowledge. She should be able to dodge, right?

Also, looking at her Notable Attacks/Techniques section:

  • Home Run Comet: An attack she improvised during the Heroes vs. Villains exercise against Ingenium, Uravity grabs a fallen stone pillar and uses it to bat rubble towards her opponents at high speeds.
  • Meteor Storm: After floating a giant quantity of debris surrounding her, Uravity forms a large meteor of rubble above her opponents, which she then causes to fall. She first used this technique against Dynamight at the Sports Festival.
Couldn't Ochako use techniques like these against Papyrus, especially if he's avoiding being approached? Pick up a tree or a log, & use that in place of a pillar for the "bat", launch nearby rocks or snow at him?
It was mentioned earlier that she could use touch the bones to use Zero Gravity on them to make them float, so what stops them being deflected with something like a log bat?
 
The apsolute smallest bones Papyrus throws out are like 1 meter and the tallest are about 5-6 meters.
 
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