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I guess I could flip that back on you. You didn't provide proof that "All of creation" = All of creation. So I guess it's your argument that is debunked.
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The very last Anos Voldigoad Downgrade CRT
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Lormac_CC
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The only thing helping your agurment is that Venuzdonoa don't have an anti feat, other than that both of your arguments are different side of the same coin with one saying Creation at the time he made the statement = The entire silver sea and the other one saying creation = what he knew as creation.
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That's not how this works.
All of creation = all of creation is the logical conclusion.
You're claiming that all of creation =/= all of creation. You need to provide proof for your claim, otherwise it's invalid.
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Well, I don't like to be a killjoy but I'll say it right now, I disagree with this again, the evidence presented is very vague plus it was already debunked in the other previous threads, in other words this was already rejected, I'll hold my decision until I see evidence that makes me change my mind.
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This really shouldn't be a hard concept for you to grasp. Anos is the one who made the statement. He thought that his own universe was all of creation. So when he said that Venuzdonoa could destroy all of creation no matter how eternal or infinite, he meant that Venuzdonoa could destroy his entire universe and everything in it no matter how eternal or infinite. This isn't some "assumption" of mine, it's literally the only thing he could've meant. There should be no reason for you to not be able to understand this.
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1. The Venuzdonoa evidence wasn't actually debunked because the reasoning behind the "debunking" is flawed in the first place. Furthermore, I've further elaborated on my original point with 6. 7. and 8. And if they can't be proven wrong, then that automatically reverses the "debunking" of 1. 2. 3. 4. and 5.
2. This is the first time this Lion of Destruction evidence has been brought up.
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This didn't prove anything.
All of creation = all of creation, until proven otherwise.
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You're just being incessantly stubborn at this point, so I'm not even going to bother wasting more time trying to covince you on this particular subject. The proof is in the pudding. All the evidence is right in front of your eyes, and if you can't accept it, then so be it.
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From what I remember, not really. He just kind've accepted things as they were.
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@AncientKing95
Let me put it like this:
Suppose all of creation is a box (which is a bad example since all of creation isn't an object, but is simply everything) and my statements are 100% true.
I think this box is 1x1 cubic metres large. I state that I can destroy this box no matter how tough, eternal or infinite it is. If I later find out that this box is infinitely bigger than I thought it was, it would be completely irrelevant, since I've already stated that no matter how infinite the box is, I can destroy it.
The above can be applied to Anos' statement of Venuzdonoa.
Again, you have no proof that all of creation = only Anos' universe. You do have a lot of assumptions, but I can literally reverse those assumptions and debunk your arguments.
Let me put it like this:
Suppose all of creation is a box (which is a bad example since all of creation isn't an object, but is simply everything) and my statements are 100% true.
I think this box is 1x1 cubic metres large. I state that I can destroy this box no matter how tough, eternal or infinite it is. If I later find out that this box is infinitely bigger than I thought it was, it would be completely irrelevant, since I've already stated that no matter how infinite the box is, I can destroy it.
The above can be applied to Anos' statement of Venuzdonoa.
Again, you have no proof that all of creation = only Anos' universe. You do have a lot of assumptions, but I can literally reverse those assumptions and debunk your arguments.
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I'm not saying that all of creation = just Anos' universe, I'm saying that Anos thought all of creation was just his universe, and that's all that matters, because he's the one who made the statement.
Venuzdonoa wasn't stated to be capable of destroying anything no matter how eternal or infinite no matter what, which would definitively mean that it can always destroy things no matter how eternal or infinite whether it be in just Anos' universe or the entire Silver Sea, it was stated that it can destroy anything no matter how eternal or infinite in Anos' universe, that doesn't confirm that it can still destroy eternal and infinite things out in the Silver Sea.
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Again you just make assumptions in your already third attempted downgrade CRT, yet you call me stubborn.
If you can't provide actual proof that all of creation =/= all of creation, then this argument is finished.
No, your interpretations of the statement isn't proof.
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You mean I'm also include bro, Anos getting downgrade brings my day
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This is how I take the statement, box = a Universe (nearly infinite) at the time he made the statement on the creation stuff, then finds out there are other boxes out his own box that actually sums creation.
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So happy they are that they can't even provide a single proof for the donwgrade, it seems that just talking behind the scenes is the best they can do.
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That interpretation starts out incorrectly. The box (all of creation), would contain the universe, not be the universe itself. All of creation isn't an object, it's everything.
He stated no matter how tough, eternal or infinite it is, he could destroy it, meaning even if he later finds out the box is bigger than he thought, it would be irrelevant.
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You do understand that your interpretations aren't proof either, right? I don't see you proving how Anos meant the entire Silver Sea by all of creation. This goes both ways you know (Except it doesn't, because it's confirmed that Anos was referring to just his universe by all of creation, and there should be nothing to argue there)?
This will be the final time I say this to you: Anos stated that Venuzdonoa could destroy all of creation no matter how eternal or infinite. He thought his universe was all of creation, so he meant that Venuzdonoa can destroy his entire universe and everything in it no matter how eternal or infinite. All Venuzdonoa proved is that it can still function in deeper layers, not that it can destroy the entire Silver Sea at once. You can't claim no anti-feats, because the statement didn't refer to the Silver Sea in the first place. Case closed.
Since this will be my last reply, let me further elaborate. Venuzdonoa is only confirmed to destroy things no matter how eternal or infinite in the Militia World. Not that it can destroy infinite things even outside of the Militia World.
Feel free to remain as stubborn as you want, feel free to remain thinking I'm wrong, but you can't change what the reality of it is. There is no proof that Anos can destroy the entire Silver Sea, and you yourself haven't proven it.
I know I said it once before, but I mean it when I say this now; I won't waste any more time arguing this point with you.
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This interpretation makes sense, still this I will stick to likely 2-B due to no actual feat, with the statement and the interpretation you have provided he should still have a 2-B key, likely attached to it for no actual feat.
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Bruh again?
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No matter how eternal or infinite... in his own universe. Not that it can still destroy things no matter how eternal or infinite outside of his own universe. There isn't any proof that it's capable of this outside the Militia World either.
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All I'm going to say is that I'm fine with Likely 2-B, but it shouldn't straight up just be 2-B, when Anos doesn't have 2-B feats, and neither statements that people like to use actually support it.
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Don't worry, I have called Ant here!
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Okay. Who here can accept something like both Venuzdonoa and Anos' True Power key getting changed to "Likely 2-B" which won't really change much, due to the rating being based purely off of statements?
**This suggestion seems to be rejected.Good.
**This suggestion seems to be rejected.
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I honestly don't give a
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Let's do it like this; Whoever agrees with this, like that comment.
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And for the people who disagree with a damn thing being changed because
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like this comment
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This isn't about pressure of something being debunked. It isn't even a downgrade as it doesn't change shit, it is just that his whole rating is base on statements with no actual feats.
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I am still a fan of 2-B. Statements that are uncontradicted and have credience to them to not need a likely rating.
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If the statement is not contradicted, it doesnt need to have a "likely" key, heck, a lot of characters have it
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That's fine too.
I'm just suggesting the "Likely 2-B" since I'm tired of having to debunk the same arguments over and over again.
It's really exhausting and makes a person start to kinda dislike the verse, you know?
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Welcome to the club pal
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Well, it seems that not many people agree with "Likely", so it looks like you will have to keep debunking his arguments again and again.
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I can feel you man. But no matter how many threads are made on the topic, don't compromise on something you think isn't correct.
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Well, it was just a suggestion in the first place. If it isn't accepted, then both Venuzdonoa and Anos keep their solid 2-B ratings.
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Only at the start lmao.
After debunking the same argument for 2 pages, it gets annoying.
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