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The Ultra Series Discussion Thread: Unleash! The Power of Imagination!
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A re-run on our blog basically, Bullton is Low 2-C via the space-time shenanigans with Z and that thread went un-opposed.
Yeah but why would even consider that when we have a better feat to scale him to which is the constellation stuff?
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I'll need to go over the Gavadon episode again, but that one felt even more vague than the Man version. We'll see.
I vaguely recall me and Peter, or at least I did, that Bullton should be scaled on a limited scale for reasons I don't remember. But given the go, and it being the last thing I remember being involved in, I suppose that can go. My Bullton sandbox is raring to go, after all.
I'm interested in the calc that puts Seven at Class T. Any upgrades to the LS is always welcome. Though that does render the Zero calc moot, but it is what it is ┐(￣ヮ￣)┌
I vaguely recall me and Peter, or at least I did, that Bullton should be scaled on a limited scale for reasons I don't remember. But given the go, and it being the last thing I remember being involved in, I suppose that can go. My Bullton sandbox is raring to go, after all.
I'm interested in the calc that puts Seven at Class T. Any upgrades to the LS is always welcome. Though that does render the Zero calc moot, but it is what it is ┐(￣ヮ￣)┌
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As vague as it is, it's just how the Ultra Series is sometimes with their creation feats and this time their way of showing it is like this.
Limited? There's nothing limited about it though... Like the feat itself is as clear as day, and how it's presented with the theory in the episode also supports it very well.
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ULTRASEVEN: The Giant of Light carries a spaceship into space
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I know, that's what the initial proposal was gonna be, but I realized that Z was pretty much on equal grounds in terms of physicality against Bullton, so by that point, he should be within that tier. Feels very bizarre that the one thing I wanted to implement ever since the episode aired to finally come into fruition, 's all. Thanks a lot to everyone who put their work into it as well.
And onto that Seven calc... see, that could've been done for the Zero feat as well, but there was no way of really calculating that, and I don't know how to calculate Robot Ace's swinging of the big rock so there's a chance that feat could be even higher. All in all, great work, and hopefully it gets accepted.
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Hey guys check out these calculation I made regarding the feats that Blazar made:
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May I ask if the Galactic Empire pays tribute to the Ultraman Nexus ending?
Abe: No, it's Glitter Tiga who pays tribute to the Ultraman Tiga finale. I was so moved when I watched it and still haven't forgotten it. That's why Noa and Glitter Tiga are topics that surpass Ultraman
Abe: No, it's Glitter Tiga who pays tribute to the Ultraman Tiga finale. I was so moved when I watched it and still haven't forgotten it. That's why Noa and Glitter Tiga are topics that surpass Ultraman
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I don’t really get what ability ur hoping this would get, but Glitter Tiga is just an ability that amps his ability 100x more powerful than before. On the other hand Noa is said to transcend space & time and that’s through his Aegis ability.
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Glitter Tiga has all the abilities of super-ancient giants, and I don't think it's useful to transcend time and space in terms of ability.
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Eh pretty regular, and he transcends time and space in the context of him being able to go through dimensions.
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This kind of thing can be achieved with Ultima zero, which is not a very significant ability
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to be honest even ultraman Ace can also transecend space and time, ultimate zero is just some of noa power given to zero, even ultraman zett can doit thanks to beliarok
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Since the universes in the series are implied to be infinite, shouldn't some feats (Like Zero's) be upgraded to Infinite Speed?
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The galactic empire can fly out of the universe only by the energy of the all-light country.Ultimate zero You can fly across dimensions. There are countless universes and earths in one dimension, but this can't provide any help to others, because that is the special ability of ultimate armor.
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Also Zero needed a ton of help in order to get out of the universe so there's that
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ultimate zero Don't need help
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I mean what were expecting? Transcending space & time here doesn’t get you alot.
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Possibly, since it’s only certain universes that are infinite size in nature.
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Hey guys, mind checking this thread up? It’s the space rock’s addition to the wiki.
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[Ultra Series] Profile Addition
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DestrudoD4Ray/Bullton After discussing it in the verse thread and on discord, a friend of mine made this profile of the living Space Rock, Bullton. Bullton Tier: Low 2-C Powers and Abilities: Large Size (Type 1; 60 meters tall) Law Manipulation...
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Ultraman Trigger preview narrator about Hudra.
Wouldn't this downgrade the 4-A scaling?
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Also, i've heard there's a statement that says 80's Succium Beam is > Zoffy's M78 beam, but idk if that's valid or not. Also it'd pretty weird to say it's stronger than Ken's beams when monsters like Birdon and Tyrant were able to body the unbeatable Zoffy and they're obviously aren't Alien Empera level
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It’s just the name of the technique. Also I’m pretty sure a more accurate translation of it would be Dream/Fantasy Space: Lumagion 夢幻空間ルマージョン. Since 夢幻 means things like dreams, fantasy, etc.
Also I think there was some statement that said 80 is stronger than all past Ultra Brothers in every stat be it physical stats or beams. So I think that might be where that came from. But like M87 is never really considered to be Zoffy’s normal beam.
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But would we actually scale 80 to the M78 Beam?
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So yeah we kinda need to look back on the chainscaling, since Blazar came out and Bullton is officially Low 2-C.
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I recall proposing that if Bullton was ever accepted as Low 2-C, he should be its own milestone for the New Gens from that point onwards. So yeah, generally just a revision with (High) 3-As capping around the first half of Z.
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Yeah it’s been a while and I think we said something about how New Gen Base Ultras between UGF2 to Ultraman Trigger downscale from Bullton via Gamma Future being at least 5x stronger than Base Z via the King Joe & Windom scaling.
But man it took way too long for the Bullton stuff to be accepted. Also did we ever figure out what to do with Shin Man’s higher dimension true form as well as the whole 2-C Gridman thing from Gridman Universe (If anybody cares about that)?
But man it took way too long for the Bullton stuff to be accepted. Also did we ever figure out what to do with Shin Man’s higher dimension true form as well as the whole 2-C Gridman thing from Gridman Universe (If anybody cares about that)?
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Yeah and we did that thanks to @DestrudoD4Ray
That kinda means we have a lot of work to do yeah?
I mean it took us a long time to make the profile, not for it to be accepted. Asked a friend that’s knowledgable on it; @GreatIskandar14045 and he said that it atleast gives Ripia 5-D stuff.
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What are the details on Gridman's stuffs again?
And so what, Lipiah gets to have a straight up Low 1-C if the whole higher-dimensional body thing gets accepted? Because it wouldn't be farfetched either considering Zarab straight up said the transformation works by summoning that true body to the lower dimensions.
And so what, Lipiah gets to have a straight up Low 1-C if the whole higher-dimensional body thing gets accepted? Because it wouldn't be farfetched either considering Zarab straight up said the transformation works by summoning that true body to the lower dimensions.
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If i remember, the extra dimensions are compactified, i don't think it's applicable for the dimensional tiering
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What are the exact kanji that he uses in that sentence? Since from what I’ve seen in the translation it only says “another dimension”.
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@WanderingGecko Yeah lots of stuff to do
Updating profile format to the new layout. Like the whole listing abilities under bullet points and adding the AP value to the profiles.
Updating scaling blog. Everything up until Blazar as well as the new Bullton scaling along with finishing moving the statements onto Imgur with translations.
Really should start working on all those again but my remaining classes take up way too much time IRL so I’m not sure when when I could get to it.
@Mr.Cutlery We’re told and shown on screen that Gridman created the Dynazenon universe via his dreams or something. Been a while since I saw the movie. And if I remember correctly when they were explaining the Gridman Universe stuff they showed like four universes within Gridman’s true form.
Updating profile format to the new layout. Like the whole listing abilities under bullet points and adding the AP value to the profiles.
Updating scaling blog. Everything up until Blazar as well as the new Bullton scaling along with finishing moving the statements onto Imgur with translations.
Really should start working on all those again but my remaining classes take up way too much time IRL so I’m not sure when when I could get to it.
@Mr.Cutlery We’re told and shown on screen that Gridman created the Dynazenon universe via his dreams or something. Been a while since I saw the movie. And if I remember correctly when they were explaining the Gridman Universe stuff they showed like four universes within Gridman’s true form.
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Who would scale to 2-C rating? Universe fighter gridman and Mad Origin?
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Do you have the link to it? So we can all get to work. Alot of the links got erases I think or the link just doesn’t work anymore, how do we deal with that? Search for the scans again?
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@DestrudoD4Ray Ehh not too sure. Like I honestly don’t know how to scale Gridman at all. So if controlling Gridman and fighting him during Gridman Universe counts than I guess yeah Mad Origin would be 2-C as well. But like I said I’m not an expert at Gridman so I don’t know how the scaling for that series works.
@WanderingGecko Just replace the tiebapic part of the link with imgsrc and it’ll work.
@WanderingGecko Just replace the tiebapic part of the link with imgsrc and it’ll work.
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And how about the profile format?
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@WanderingGecko I was thinking of formatting it something like this. Since the Ultra Series does have like a long list of scaling so we might as well list the value on the profile since some people are too lazy to look through the blog and figure out who scales to who.
Also I’ve been thinking and I feel like we should just consider all the power forms to be several times stronger than the base forms at this point. Cause like it feels weird to treat some power forms as an unknown boost when almost all other power forms are considered a several times boost in power when compared to base.
And if I’m being honest with all the timey wimey shenanigans that the series has done recently. I’m really starting to question whether or not all the scaling we have here are correct. Cause it feels like the actual creators don’t consider some of the characters to be that much stronger than past characters. Like the whole Regulos and Gua Sibling stuff has honestly made me question our scaling since they were from the Showa Era and are still individually comparable if not superior to Reiwa Era New Gen Ultimate Forms/Ultra Brothers.
Also I’ve been thinking and I feel like we should just consider all the power forms to be several times stronger than the base forms at this point. Cause like it feels weird to treat some power forms as an unknown boost when almost all other power forms are considered a several times boost in power when compared to base.
And if I’m being honest with all the timey wimey shenanigans that the series has done recently. I’m really starting to question whether or not all the scaling we have here are correct. Cause it feels like the actual creators don’t consider some of the characters to be that much stronger than past characters. Like the whole Regulos and Gua Sibling stuff has honestly made me question our scaling since they were from the Showa Era and are still individually comparable if not superior to Reiwa Era New Gen Ultimate Forms/Ultra Brothers.
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Easy enough, I’ll start with the Ultra Brother’s profiles.
Then there’s the part where people ask about the scans, I mean we can’t really just consider it like that since there are forms that have confirmed multipliers. I mean there are some that only amount to 2x.
I mean Regulos himself is a pretty special case since he’s naturally strong and could just be written off as some plot induced stupidity. And about the Gua sibling stuff, is there like no statements about them being buffed up or something? If not then we have to actually redo the scaling from the Showa era.
