• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

The Ultra Series Discussion Thread: Unleash! The Power of Imagination!

For power forms I think the only one that isn’t considered a several times boost is Burnmite Orb (During Ultraman Orb) and Solid Burning Geed. Since those two are the only ones that have never been compared to other power forms on screen before.

Also how exactly do we treat multipliers for forms that are considered stronger than a form that had a several times multiplier? Cause Exceed X has a many times multiplier and scales above the Zetton Armor which is stronger than the Gomora Armor which is considered several times stronger than Base X.

Nope I have not seen a single statement about the Gua Siblings being amped. And in fact in series the opposite is kinda implied with how Orb said so this is the true complete power of Gua when facing the complete Gua.

Also the problem with Regulos is because in the prequel Ultraman Regulos it’s clearly shown that even after gaining the Red Dragon White Tiger Fist Regulos was getting beat up by a Baraba given to Volcan by Showa Era Yapool. Yeah you heard me right. Showa Era Baraba was beating up complete Regulos until he got the other fighting style orbs that he later used against Diavolo with Leo and Astra. and it’s clearly impossible for Regulos to have gotten stronger under captivity.
 
Peter1129 said:
For power forms I think the only one that isn’t considered a several times boost is Burnmite Orb (During Ultraman Orb) and Solid Burning Geed. Since those two are the only ones that have never been compared to other power forms on screen before.
Click to expand...
There’s Mebius’s Burning Brave too if you count on the Heisei Phase 1 Ultras.

Peter1129 said:
Also how exactly do we treat multipliers for forms that are considered stronger than a form that had a several times multiplier? Cause Exceed X has a many times multiplier and scales above the Zetton Armor which is stronger than the Gomora Armor which is considered several times stronger than Base X.
Click to expand...
We kinda have to rate them as “far higher” or we could just stack the multipliers like “several times stronger than an armor several times stronger than an armor”.

Peter1129 said:
Nope I have not seen a single statement about the Gua Siblings being amped. And in fact in series the opposite is kinda implied with how Orb said so this is the true complete power of Gua when facing the complete Gua.
Click to expand...
Yeah we need to rework alot of things 💀 and do you have the scan for that?

Peter1129 said:
Also the problem with Regulos is because in the prequel Ultraman Regulos it’s clearly shown that even after gaining the Red Dragon White Tiger Fist Regulos was getting beat up by a Baraba given to Volcan by Showa Era Yapool. Yeah you heard me right. Showa Era Baraba was beating up complete Regulos until he got the other fighting style orbs that he later used against Diavolo with Leo and Astra. and it’s clearly impossible for Regulos to have gotten stronger under captivity.
Click to expand...
We still have the last resort of just listing it as PIS cause to me it really seems like that at the moment. Or there’s a possibility, that they’ve always been Low 2-C or something, but that too wouldn’t make sense. PIS it is.
 
Peter1129 said:
@WanderingGecko I was thinking of formatting it something like this. Since the Ultra Series does have like a long list of scaling so we might as well list the value on the profile since some people are too lazy to look through the blog and figure out who scales to who.

Also I’ve been thinking and I feel like we should just consider all the power forms to be several times stronger than the base forms at this point. Cause like it feels weird to treat some power forms as an unknown boost when almost all other power forms are considered a several times boost in power when compared to base.

And if I’m being honest with all the timey wimey shenanigans that the series has done recently. I’m really starting to question whether or not all the scaling we have here are correct. Cause it feels like the actual creators don’t consider some of the characters to be that much stronger than past characters. Like the whole Regulos and Gua Sibling stuff has honestly made me question our scaling since they were from the Showa Era and are still individually comparable if not superior to Reiwa Era New Gen Ultimate Forms/Ultra Brothers.
Click to expand...
There is a similar case with this one. Take Dragonball GT for example, they have the same frieza and cell from the DBZ series but can somehow put a decent fight against GT Goku
 
@WanderingGecko Burning Brave isn’t really considered a power form. It’s honestly closer to Gomora’s Reionic Burst which is below the several times boost forms.

Yeah I guess. Also that reminds me the several vs many times multiplier thread I made was never concluded. And I’ve been waiting for that the conclude to downgrade the many times multiplier to 3x instead of 4x since the lowball of several and many are both 3x in Japanese.

It was UGF3 episode 4. Orb or X was pretty much at awe about how powerful the complete Gua was and talked about how this was the complete version of Gua. But point is there are no mentions of them getting stronger. It’s just the same version of them from the past. Only Belial and Tregear got the Absolutian Amp.

There’s also the whole thing with Night Fang getting defeated by Showa Era Taro in UGF2. Though I think we just treated that as a Showa Era Night Fang.

@DestrudoD4Ray That’s different. Cell and Frieza were still the present day version of them and not the ones from the past. So they could’ve just trained and gotten stronger during all those years.
 
Peter1129 said:
@WanderingGecko Burning Brave isn’t really considered a power form. It’s honestly closer to Gomora’s Reionic Burst which is below the several times boost forms.
Click to expand...
I mean why not? He even makes those fire symbols on his body just to signify it being a different form.

Peter1129 said:
Yeah I guess. Also that reminds me the several vs many times multiplier thread I made was never concluded. And I’ve been waiting for that the conclude to downgrade the many times multiplier to 3x instead of 4x since the lowball of several and many are both 3x in Japanese.
Click to expand...
You can just conclude it already I guess or bump it.

Peter1129 said:
It was UGF3 episode 4. Orb or X was pretty much at awe about how powerful the complete Gua was and talked about how this was the complete version of Gua.
Click to expand...
I guess the versions before were not really their peaks then.

Peter1129 said:
There’s also the whole thing with Night Fang getting defeated by Showa Era Taro in UGF2.
Click to expand...
Yeah I’m still suggesting for us to treat stuff like that as PIS or if it has like a massive impact then we have to make a full rework.
 
Yeah I guess. So I guess that’s a no for the power forms that are explicitly treated as a power form? Mebius’s Burning Brave just seems to be an exception to all this.

Might bump it some time later

Probably

Yeah like there’s this whole thing with Showa top tiers vs Reiwa high tiers that kinda shows they aren’t that much stronger than the past enemies. And than there’s the thing with the exact same Darclops Zeros from Belial Galactic Empire being treated as fodder in UGF3. So it’s clearly shown that the Ultras have gotten stronger as even New Gen Base can casually destroy hordes of Darclops Zero that are equal to Zero during his initial appearance who is above Belial who is by feats, statements, and scaling above Armored Darkness who is equal to Alien Empera who is in turn often considered comparable if not superior to Juda via statements.
 
Peter1129 said:
There’s also the whole thing with Night Fang getting defeated by Showa Era Taro in UGF2. Though I think we just treated that as a Showa Era Night Fang.
Click to expand...
Wasn't that during Heisei? Considering it takes place after Hikari's transformation, which takes place shortly before his debut in Mebius
 
It was after Taro but before Mebius. Not sure how long before. I think we currently treat it as Showa likely Heisei since we don’t know the exact time of when it happened. Which is kinda the case with every event during the UGF series. Still don’t exactly know when the Leugocyte fight of UGF2 occurred. I think we currently we consider it as an event before Crisis Impact but I kinda forgot why. Think it had something to do with Orb but I dunno.
 
So I guess we just focus on the heisei phase 2 scaling for now yeah? Since it’s pretty complicated for the Gua siblings thingie and Showa era scaling.
 
Pretty much yeah. The UGF series screwed over the scaling real hard. Like there’s also the whole thing with Diavolo being outright stated by one of the director to be on par with UGF2 Tartarus who defeated Ultimate Shining Zero as well. Like I don’t even want to think about the headache that scaling would bring if we accepted that statement. UGF has way too much circular scaling if we combine and use all the feats and statements in it.
 
Peter1129 said:
Pretty much yeah. The UGF series screwed over the scaling real hard. Like there’s also the whole thing with Diavolo being outright stated by one of the director to be on par with UGF2 Tartarus who defeated Ultimate Shining Zero as well. Like I don’t even want to think about the headache that scaling would bring if we accepted that statement. UGF has way too much circular scaling if we combine and use all the feats and statements in it.
Click to expand...
Yeah it was a right decision for us to not accept it, I mean WoG pretty much dies when it kinda contradicts what happens in the series.
 
So now I just remembered another one of our problems, what exactly are the MFTL+ values that the Ultras generally scale to? Like I have a few feats and even then they haven’t been reacted to by the CGM.
 
We were supposed to calc new speed feats from like each if I remember correctly. But that never really ended up happening since nobody calc’d it for us. Showa had a large amount of Ultras flying from the Land of Light to Earth in under a day or half a day if I remember correctly. And back during Showa there was no such thing as a wormhole so this was done via pure flight speed.

Zero’s feat is technically scalable to all Ultras except most Ultras don’t have enough energy to accelerate to that level of speed normally. And technically since we currently accept the Ultra Series universes as likely infinite that feat is also a potentially an infinite speed feat at maximum acceleration. Just like how Space Corona Mode Cosmos has a statement of being capable of accelerating to reaching flight speed that is near infinity by absorbing the energy of the universe.
 
Peter1129 said:
We were supposed to calc new speed feats from like each if I remember correctly. But that never really ended up happening since nobody calc’d it for us. Showa had a large amount of Ultras flying from the Land of Light to Earth in under a day or half a day if I remember correctly. And back during Showa there was no such thing as a wormhole so this was done via pure flight speed.
Click to expand...
Already did a few yeah;
  1. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:WanderingGecko/Ultraman_Orb_Goes_Quick
  2. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:WanderingGecko/Zoffy_Instantly_Arrives
  3. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:WanderingGecko/Mebius_Flies_Really_Fast
Peter1129 said:
Zero’s feat is technically scalable to all Ultras except most Ultras don’t have enough energy to accelerate to that level of speed normally. And technically since we currently accept the Ultra Series universes as likely infinite that feat is also a potentially an infinite speed feat at maximum acceleration. Just like how Space Corona Mode Cosmos has a statement of being capable of accelerating to reaching flight speed that is near infinity by absorbing the energy of the universe.
Click to expand...
Not all of them are infinite sized tho, like only a few of them are and we can't really generalize it without further proof. I guess we could have them both being infinite speed and the god tiers too since it'll only be logical if the god tier upscale from said feat.
 
Oh nice. Though it doesn’t seem like anybody has checked them yet. Sigh this is always the case with verses with no staff as supporter.

Haven’t like three of the universes in the series been stated to be infinite in size? The others never mentioned anything about the size but with how Belial Galactic Empire went all sci-fi multiverse wouldn’t it be safe to assume the others are likely all infinite in size since the universe it was set in was stated to be infinite in size?

Like that’s how we currently treat the universes as well 3-A, likely High 3-A. Everything in the series seems to be infinite in some way. Infinite branching infinite multiverse with infinite sized universes. Also that reminds me does anybody have that infinite sized universe statement from Belial Galactic Empire? I really should add those statements to the Ultra Series multiverse Imgur.
 
Peter1129 said:
Oh nice. Though it doesn’t seem like anybody has checked them yet. Sigh this is always the case with verses with no staff as supporter.
Click to expand...
Yeah lol, but I made them just in case and have already put them so they can be evaluated.

Peter1129 said:
Haven’t like three of the universes in the series been stated to be infinite in size? The others never mentioned anything about the size but with how Belial Galactic Empire went all sci-fi multiverse wouldn’t it be safe to assume the others are likely all infinite in size since the universe it was set in was stated to be infinite in size?
Click to expand...
Can’t really do that since again, we’d just be generalizing something that isn’t really confirmed multiversally lel. And considering that this web has some strict rules with infinite sized universes Marvel & DC

It’d really be in our best interest to actually prove that it’s like that for every other universe in the multiverse.

Peter1129 said:
Like that’s how we currently treat the universes as well 3-A, likely High 3-A. Everything in the series seems to be infinite in some way. Infinite branching infinite multiverse with infinite sized universes. Also that reminds me does anybody have that infinite sized universe statement from Belial Galactic Empire? I really should add those statements to the Ultra Series multiverse Imgur.
Click to expand...
Kinda forgot where I saved it, but iirc it’s somewhere in this thread buried (or maybe the one before this).
 
I proposed the infinite universe stuff for Ultra Series way back at the end of 2021 with the Ultimate Force Zero Novel CRT and it got accepted hence why we have likely High 3-A so we shouldn’t have to worry about that.

It was an image for discord. I checked a while back and that image is no longer viewable. I think it was a page with Glenfire on it that talked about how the universe was infinite.
 
03adb3dd56c0430e.jpg
bf977dd857b33138.jpg
acd340003ecffc65.jpg

There are many descriptions of the infinity of the universe in Ultraman
 
So that's an accepted 2+ trillion x FTL for speed, which is pretty close to the for fun calc I did for Taro.

Blazar may be seeing an "At least Low 5-B, possibly High 4-C". Pretty neat.
 
Mr.Cutlery said:
So that's an accepted 2+ trillion x FTL for speed, which is pretty close to the for fun calc I did for Taro.

Blazar may be seeing an "At least Low 5-B, possibly High 4-C". Pretty neat.
Click to expand...
What result did the Taro calc you did give?

He’d be getting Low 2-C as there is scaling to Red King or 3-A, likely High 3-A as he could deck Demaaga.
 
Really not sure if we should scale Blazar that way. I personally think we should honestly either have Blazar be its own scaling due to being a completely separate continuity that does seem to have any connection with the main continuity so far. Or just make him at least 3-A, likely High 3-A, possibly Low 2-C or whatever tier the current base ultras are supposed to be. Since Tsuburaya often treats the newest series Ultra as being comparable to the previous one.
 
Peter1129 said:
Really not sure if we should scale Blazar that way. I personally think we should honestly either have Blazar be its own scaling due to being a completely separate continuity that does seem to have any connection with the main continuity so far. Or just make him at least 3-A, likely High 3-A, possibly Low 2-C or whatever tier the current base ultras are supposed to be. Since Tsuburaya often treats the newest series Ultra as being comparable to the previous one.
Click to expand...
There’s Zamusha in the series, that’s good enough of proof that it’s not a different continuity. They should be Low 2-C now.
 
Blazar got Low 2-C from Red King (scales to Z) and Demaaga (Downscales to Ultroid Zero, which is superior to King Joe STORAGE Custom that fought against Bullton)
 
@WanderingGecko Wait was that actually confirmed to be the same Zamsher from Mebius? Or was it just a different guy from the same race? Though if it is true than I guess that does mean that Blazar still has connections to the current main scaling and is not its own separate thing like Ultraseven X.

If that is the case then we should probably just scale Blazar to Low 2-C since he should be comparable to present day ultras in base at the very least.
 
Peter1129 said:
@WanderingGecko Wait was that actually confirmed to be the same Zamsher from Mebius? Or was it just a different guy from the same race? Though if it is true than I guess that does mean that Blazar still has connections to the current main scaling and is not its own separate thing like Ultraseven X.
Click to expand...
Same dude, space samurai searching for strong foe. Yeah it’s not and it’s also pretty much acknowledged in the Ultra Series’s multiverse (Ultraman Chronicles).

Also made a blog on Ripia’s abilities:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Shin Ultraman Respect Thread

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
Last edited:
IMG_3694.png


He gives off old Showa Ultra vibes tbh, and the way his grunt sounds like them too “shuwatch”. And his armor pretty sick too, the Sun Armor is like his power form and his Moon Form is like his speed form.

IMG_3695.jpg

IMG_3696.jpg
 
Looking at the scaling blog, Super Taro is stated to be tens of times stronger than normal Taro. Wouldn't Base Showa Era Taro downscale from that?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Peter1129
Ultra Series Multipliers Revision
Replies
13
Views
2K
Tahoy49574
Mr.Cutlery
Ultra Series Content Revision - Proof of Concept?
Replies
4
Views
2K
Mr.Cutlery
Mr.Cutlery
Godernet
  • Locked
Kaguya's ETSO The Final Chapter: Part 1, Episode 2
3 4 5
Replies
199
Views
9K
Godernet
Godernet
Dark_Soul20189
  • Locked
The Necessity for references rule change/addition
Replies
29
Views
3K
Antvasima
Antvasima
Peter1129
Ultra Series Showa Downgrade/Multiverse Upgrade
Replies
16
Views
4K
Peter1129
Peter1129
Back
Top