The thing gets Terminated (G r a c e)

[Schnee_One]

I think a machine that was literally going to shoot the brains out of a random inconvience in Terminator 2 gives zero ***** about civilians.

Like, Arnold knows Civilians are probably screwed after Skynrt attacks and only saves those its programmed too.

Killing other civilians means nothing

 

[Schnee_One]

Liquid Nitrogen has worked on the T-1000 and can be obtained from any place that sells industral or medical gasses.

....Except it failed

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

@Schnee Isn't Arnold, like trained not to kill people by Genisys?

@Akreios Or just a tanker carrying the stuff. A supplyer of the stuff's gotta have a bunch of it.

 

[Akreious]

@Akreios Or just a tanker carrying the stuff. A supplyer of the stuff's gotta have a bunch of it.

That's even worse! It makes even more noise and is arguably even more noticeable

 

[Schnee_One]

@Schnee Isn't Arnold, like trained not to kill people by Genisys

Not that I recall

Also, you're implying that nitrogen will put the Terminator down when, in canon, the T1000 regenerated after being frozen

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

....Except it failed

Because they were in a high tempature location. And it was damaged from the freezing process.

 

[Schnee_One]

<Damaged from the freezing process

You just gave a reason it's not working

Liquid nitrogen cannot stay Cool over a large open air space.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Even assuming these methods don't work for some reason, Arnold can't kill off an entire city on his own. Eventually the Thing is gonna spread to a military base or something similar.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

<Damaged from the freezing process

It was damaged. It could no longer properly shapeshift after just one freezing.

 

[Akreious]

Even assuming these methods don't work for some reason, Arnold can't kill off an entire city on his own. Eventually the Thing is gonna spread to a military base or something similar.

This is also assuming that the humans themselves don't learn and begin to deal with The Thing themselves either.

 

[Schnee_One]

Then what?

The military shoots him which still doesn't bypass Low High?

The Terminator realizes the humans are screwed if he doesn't at least try to use his cores to nuke it, and nukes it, that's my vote assuming it isn't a stomp (It is)

 

[Schnee_One]

It was damaged. It could no longer properly shapeshift after just one freezing.

Yes, and it damaging itself in the freezing process allowed it to regen

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

@Schnee No. It was damaged from being frozen. It was able to regen because a bunch of ******* lava was raising the ambiant tempature.

@Akerios If the terminator goes all nuke happy then it's also gonna have to deal with the military. The Terminator was stealthy for a reason.

 

[Schnee_One]

So the same thing happens unless Liquid Nitrogen can keep the T1000 Frozen for 24 hours in open air, but it can't.

The military can't do anything to the T850 due to its regen.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

This seems like a stomp, short of the military dropping a nuclear bomb on the terminator and thing they're a non factor. Also Im pretty sure interference from military is considered outside help....

 

[Schnee_One]

Nuke doesn't bypass Low High I don't think

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Oh yeah? Even actual nukes can't kill it? They can't just dump a bunch of liquid nitrogen all over the city? All the world's govenments can't take out one single Terminator?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

This seems like a stomp, short of the military dropping a nuclear bomb on the terminator and thing they're a non factor. Also Im pretty sure interference from military is considered outside help....

The Thing is gonna be the military pretty quick.

 

[Jackythejack]

I mean isn't that the point?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I think if he's caught near the center of the fireball it would be enough to turn them to ash, saying that it is the case for normal humans....

 

[Sir_Ovens]

These are some huge assumptions here. Like even the world will realize that the Thing exists before it is able to assimilate everyone.

 

[Schnee_One]

How many times do I have to say Liquid Nitrogen physically cannot sustain at open air temperatures long enough to incap?

This is getting ridiculous with how circular arguments are getting.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Nuke doesn't bypass Low High I don't think

Why wouldn't it? City level nukes are gonna vaporize Large Building level dura even with low-high.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Liquid nitrogen couldn't even do what it did in the movie....At worse their should have been superficial damage to the terminator, there is no possible way it actually managed to cool the internal temperature to the point we saw in the movie.

 

[Schnee_One]

Not really

Nukes AP dissipate over distance from their original explosion unless it's literally ground zero, which it won't be because Terminatir can run.

Plus, Regenerationn on this level is extremely difficult to beat with AP alone, that's kinda the entire reason Thing stomped Akame a while back.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

These are some huge assumptions here. Like even the world will realize that the Thing exists before it is able to assimilate everyone.

Not if it goes under the radar for long enough.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

And people are still ignoring the '''massive''' numbers advantage.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Thing to remeber about high regen of any level is its where ap ceases to be a deciding factor in beating it.

 

[Schnee_One]

Again, the numbers advantage doesn't mean anything because the thing cannot put the Terminator down

Also, unless it consumes memories or something, the Thing can't use nukes.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

BTW can't Terminator constantly just keep tossing his core since it keeps regenerating?

That works.

This also isn't happening because the T-1000 can't mimic chemical or complex machinery. So no it's can't just regen a new core.

 

[Schnee_One]

I don't think the core is actually that complex, it's ultimately a minor generator.

But even then, Incon they can't kill eachother

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

1. The Thing can't intimate an entire city at once, that's just ******* stupid

Actually, yes it can.

Also, unless it consumes memories or something, the Thing can't use nukes.

And again, yes it can. How else is it supposed to prefectly mimic people to the point where long time colleagues didn't notice one of there own was replaced?

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

The Terminator has way more available ways of winning. All of the Thing's win cons involve the Thing infecting multiple city populations and figuring out that the Terminator is somewhat vulnerable to being frozen (Which has a high chance of failure, as Schnee pointed out).

The Terminator's win cons are either picking up a flamethrower (Or any other fire-related weapon) or detonating his hydrogen cells. The Terminator's win cons are much more accessible and are more in-character than the Thing's.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I don't think the core is actually that complex, it's ultimately a minor generator.

But even then, Incon they can't kill eachother

IIRC it was mentioned the T-1000 couldn't form anything more complex the melee weapons at one point in T2.

I mean sure, I guess.

 

[Schnee_One]

Wait

I forgot Thing was weak to fire, I'm dumb.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

The Terminator's win cons are much more accessible and are more in-character than the Thing's.

How is infecting an entire population "out of character" for the Thing. That's literally it's only goal in life,

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Yeah, but it's going to take time. Especially since the Thing blends in and fools its victims before infecting them in-character.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

So Arnold needs to win by going shopping for a flamethrower while the Thing is assimilatein people? Yeah, that's gonna turn out real well for him.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

All the Thing needs is a single touch to begin the assimilation process. The reason the movie took place in the artic was because insects will be the single greatest transmitter of it.

 

[Schnee_One]

Wait

Why didn't the thing touch anyone while it was one of the colleagues?