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Xenomorph victims fight each other (T-800 vs RoboCop)

All right I've actually done my fair share of shit for watching both recently so...

I'm probably gonna go with Robocop.

The T-800 has better survivability, lasts much longer, and overall has better weapons

Robocop is built to handle the close quarters style of T-800s, which is much more Unga bunga then you think, and hits from other T-800s like, stun usually, so imagine what getting hit by a guy with a 2.5x AP advantage(4 Megajoules vs 1.5 Megajoules) is gonna do... it's gonna stun for a bit more like literally every big hit from superior machines does.

most of Murphy's guns are basically paperweights against comparable opponents, and bullets from a Pistol don't do much to a Terminator, you usually need a shotgun slug or sniper rifle to do damage, so... literally all but one of Robocop's guns does jack shit. While Terminator... does not have that problem.

And since Robocop has to be SERIOUSLY pushed to use Ordinance on others that's not really a factor here.

T-800s, even with guns tend to walk forward a lot though, so eventually it's just gonna walk into Murphy's fist and get bodied very, very slowly. It's pretty close to being an incon but at the end of the day the stunning and AP/Dura disadvantage kind of loses Terminator the match eventually
 
Robocop is built to handle the close quarters style of T-800s, which is much more Unga bunga then you think, and hits from other T-800s like, stun usually, so imagine what getting hit by a guy with a 2.5x AP advantage(4 Megajoules vs 1.5 Megajoules) is gonna do... it's gonna stun for a bit more like literally every big hit from superior machines does.
How is RoboCop built for styles like the T-800? And what actual close-quarter combat feats does it have? Wouldn't the T-800 kind of overpower if it's decides to grapple, Class 25 vs Class 5? (Which is also quite in character for it to throw things or even just wrestle like in the beginning of genesis)
most of Murphy's guns are basically paperweights against comparable opponents, and bullets from a Pistol don't do much to a Terminator, you usually need a shotgun slug or sniper rifle to do damage, so... literally all but one of Robocop's guns does jack shit. While Terminator... does not have that problem.
Yeah...I didn't restrict the Plasma rifle which is like 16 megajoules as well. So he has that option if T-800 decides so.
And since Robocop has to be SERIOUSLY pushed to use Ordinance on others that's not really a factor here.
Wdym? What's exactly is Ordinance? I kind of forgot.
T-800s, even with guns tend to walk forward a lot though, so eventually it's just gonna walk into Murphy's fist and get bodied very, very slowly. It's pretty close to being an incon but at the end of the day the stunning and AP/Dura disadvantage kind of loses Terminator the match eventually
I mean, T-800 will walk with its fist straight as well and has showcased better combat abilities. If it's a wrestling match, it's basically over instantly.
 
How is RoboCop built for styles like the T-800? And what actual close-quarter combat feats does it have? Wouldn't the T-800 kind of overpower if it's decides to grapple, Class 25 vs Class 5? (Which is also quite in character for it to throw things or even just wrestle like in the beginning of genesis)

Yeah...I didn't restrict the Plasma rifle which is like 16 megajoules as well. So he has that option if T-800 decides so.

Wdym? What's exactly is Ordinance? I kind of forgot.

I mean, T-800 will walk with its fist straight as well and has showcased better combat abilities. If it's a wrestling match, it's basically over instantly.
You wanna know what T-800s do? Throw into walls, not submission, not manipulate the opponents body, just straight up Unga bunga, Robocop will eat that shit alive and land hits of his own, and he only really needs one to start laying the hurt on

Plasma Rifle is pretty OOC anywhere except the future so...

His explosives that obliterate comparable things like doors and shit

See above.
 
Robocop is built to handle the close quarters style of T-800s, which is much more Unga bunga then you think, and hits from other T-800s like, stun usually, so imagine what getting hit by a guy with a 2.5x AP advantage(4 Megajoules vs 1.5 Megajoules) is gonna do... it's gonna stun for a bit more like literally every big hit from superior machines does.
Actually, RoboCop isn't 1.5 Megajoules as that's just a supporting feat. he actually upscales from 5,020,800 joules
 
You wanna know what T-800s do? Throw into walls, not submission, not manipulate the opponents body, just straight up Unga bunga, Robocop will eat that shit alive and land hits of his own, and he only really needs one to start laying the hurt on
Even if he throws RoboCop once, he would realize it does nothing and go for a grapple. Or, as I said, could even start with it like in the beginning of genesis. And even then, how fast does RoboCop actually recover from being thrown? AFAIK he's even more "robotic" than the T-800.
Plasma Rifle is pretty OOC anywhere except the future so...
Yet I didn't restrict it, and so if it has the chance to use it, he will. Probably the only reason it's not used is because it isn't available I'm the past.
His explosives that obliterate comparable things like doors and shit
Cool, so does the T-800 by moving.
See above.
Nothing much.
 
Even if he throws RoboCop once, he would realize it does nothing and go for a grapple. Or, as I said, could even start with it like in the beginning of genesis. And even then, how fast does RoboCop actually recover from being thrown? AFAIK he's even more "robotic" than the T-800.

Yet I didn't restrict it, and so if it has the chance to use it, he will. Probably the only reason it's not used is because it isn't available I'm the past.

Cool, so does the T-800 by moving.

Nothing much.
just so you know, Genesis was one of the movies for Terminator I've watched recently, and even against another T-800 these things don't grapple, least I didn't see it, so uh, yeah. They grab by shoulders or head and just Smash the opponent into shit

Even the few times it is he usually just doesn't go for it.

Doors a no-sell above his AP? Hehehe, I don't think so
 
just so you know, Genesis was one of the movies for Terminator I've watched recently, and even against another T-800 these things don't grapple, least I didn't see it, so uh, yeah. They grab by shoulders or head and just Smash the opponent into shit
Talking about when T-800 grappled Pops and ground was shattering or sum.
Even the few times it is he usually just doesn't go for it.
Yet if he would, it would be quite ****** up. Like, even him getting to grab an arm or a leg severely ***** over Robocop.
Doors a no-sell above his AP? Hehehe, I don't think so
Doesn't he weigh more? That would definitely be devastating since RoboCop couldnt stop it. (Ramming is a thing the T-800 likes to do) And even so, could you show me an example of RoboCops hand-to-hand capabilities? Don't remember much.
 
Talking about when T-800 grappled Pops and ground was shattering or sum.

Yet if he would, it would be quite ****** up. Like, even him getting to grab an arm or a leg severely ***** over Robocop.

Doesn't he weigh more? That would definitely be devastating since RoboCop couldnt stop it. (Ramming is a thing the T-800 likes to do) And even so, could you show me an example of RoboCops hand-to-hand capabilities? Don't remember much.
So... slamming into shit. Also Robocop would just do severe damage to the arm cause 2.5x AP Advantage

do you need one of these to separate points in a debate? I was talking about the laser gun ya eejit.
And no, grabbing Arms and legs literally never happens to my knowledge

See above except with the Ordinance instead. Seriously.

Also, Robocop rarely goes H2H with anyone he's not literally forced to, but generally uses his targeting to go for weak points and whatnot so like... yeah. I'm sure you can fill in the rest as to what happens if Robocop punches a Terminator in the correct spot
 
So... slamming into shit. Also Robocop would just do severe damage to the arm cause 2.5x AP Advantage
Quite the opposite, since if T-800 grabs it RoboCop arms gets crushed.
And no, grabbing Arms and legs literally never happens to my knowledge
Actually he does, quite a few times. Iirc first time walking into a bar in T2.
See above except with the Ordinance instead. Seriously.
Still don't get this point. He'll, T2 can literally fight off stronger and faster opponents often, such as T-X.
Also, Robocop rarely goes H2H with anyone he's not literally forced to, but generally uses his targeting to go for weak points and whatnot so like... yeah. I'm sure you can fill in the rest as to what happens if Robocop punches a Terminator in the correct spot
Yeah, so considering T-800 does t have weakpoints like humans, if he tries it, then RoboCop will simply be out-skilled. Maybe not even a punch will be landed, or they get landed before RoboCop can do anything.

There is no "correct spot" and there is no "fill in" whe you haven't even given a proper argument for RoboCops close combat.
 
All of them are Yautja victims tbh. I'm not voting yet but I'm kind of leaning towards incon, they both seem pretty even.
wondering if actually calculating Terminator feats would put them above current ratings, since I'm pretty sure they scale off of common feats page
 
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