Neither High 1-A+ or Tier 0 (Self-Reference Engine Downgrade)

[Vietthai96]

Anyway honestly i don't think SRE being space-time construct limited it to Low 1-A, it should be the lowest end, given that we can have higher concept of space-time, where 1-A and up can have their own space-time while still > Low 1-A and anything below. And higher 1-A is just a completely higher framework of meta-quality, which nothing stop them having their own space-time while being higher framework. So given even the anti-feat, SRE can still be High 1-A+ Type 1

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Anyway honestly i don't think SRE being space-time construct limited it to Low 1-A, it should be the lowest end, given that we can have higher concept of space-time, where 1-A and up can have their own space-time while still > Low 1-A and anything below. And higher 1-A is just a completely higher framework of meta-quality, which nothing stop them having their own space-time while being higher framework. So given even the anti-feat, SRE can still be High 1-A+ Type 1

High 1-A+ type 1 here doesn't really make sense at all though? The descriptions of SRE are inherently type 2, but there's an anti-feat of being able to become something other than that or transition into something new. You can't just take a blatant contradiction to something that'd necessitate type 2 then just reason it by saying it's type 1 when then type 1 has basically no basis when what you're basing it on is actually type 2 and just comes across a sort of artificial remedy to the problem.

Basically you're trying to say SRE which is suppose to be the logical space or driving and animating force behind all possible worlds is actually a possible thing itself and are also trying to reason that it's high 1-A+ type 1 based on those exact same possible worlds despite by this logic only being part of a single possibility.

 

[Vietthai96]

High 1-A+ type 1 here doesn't really make sense at all though? The descriptions of SRE are inherently type 2, but there's an anti-feat of being able to become something other than that or transition into something new. You can't just take a blatant contradiction to something that'd necessitate type 2 then just reason it by saying it's type 1 when then type 1 has basically no basis when what you're basing it on is actually type 2 and just comes across a sort of artificial remedy to the problem.

Basically you're trying to say SRE which is suppose to be the logical space or driving and animating force behind all possible worlds is actually a possible thing itself and are also trying to reason that it's high 1-A+ type 1 based on those exact same possible worlds despite by this logic only being part of a single possibility.

I said can though

However i disagree with it down to Low 1-A, at least should be 1-A

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I said can though

However i disagree with it down to Low 1-A, at least should be 1-A

I dont mind 1-A.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Why 1-A, though? It is just the set of all possible strings of characters at a Low 1-A level.

I do not understand what the actual evidence for 1-A is. I think low 1-A is fine ngl.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Why 1-A, though? It is just the set of all possible strings of characters at a Low 1-A level.

I do not understand what the actual evidence for 1-A is. I think low 1-A is fine ngl.

I'll let staff decide this

 

[Vietthai96]

Wouldn't narrating everything into existence considered as R > F, annd SRE itself is nonexistent?

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Bump

 

[Hjdjdhf]

BUMP

 

[Justlol230]

Bump

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Can someone ping staff members?

 

[Iiliminal]

i think its kinda funny that self-reference engine is gonna be weaker than the godzilla from singular point, both written by the same author btw

 

[wozirut]

Bump

 

[wozirut]

bump

 

[wozirut]

bump

 

[SuperNova55555]

Still heavily disagree with this thread

 

[Re5yh]

Still heavily disagree with this thread

Any reasons why?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Any reasons why?

Already stated them on page 1

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Saying SRE is type 1 honestly just sounds like a weak bandaid solution for something that's very blatantly type 2 if it weren't for the contradiction. You can't really have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Eseseso]

I also agree with Low 1-A.

Nothing indicates High 1-A+ and especially not tier 0, plus the stuff about space-time really disproves High 1-A+ and 0.

 

[DeMarigny'sClock]

I also agree with Low 1-A.

Nothing indicates High 1-A+ and especially not tier 0, plus the stuff about space-time really disproves High 1-A+ and 0.

You know, space-time doesn't have to refer only to our everyday understanding of it, it can in fact be used as language to describe the totality of existence. Depending on the context, it can be limited in scope to the standard 4 dimensional space-time. But in this case, space-time appears to be used in reference to everything that falls under and constitutes "existence" within the verse.

I disagree with the downgrade for the reasons Supernova brought up.

 

[Eseseso]

You know, space-time doesn't have to refer only to our everyday understanding of it, it can in fact be used as language to describe the totality of existence. Depending on the context, it can be limited in scope to the standard 4 dimensional space-time. But in this case, space-time appears to be used in reference to everything that falls under and constitutes "existence" within the verse.

I disagree with the downgrade for the reasons Supernova brought up.

Ok. I'm not an expert on High 1-A+ or 0, those were just my thoughts.

Not changing my vote yet but will wait for more input

 

[wozirut]

Does any staff willing to evaluate this thread?

 

[wozirut]

Bump

 

[Dihdksuxch]

What heights can the cosmology of self reference engine reach