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The Season 9 MLP FIM premier

Before we do that, allow me to contact them again so they can review our prior discussion conclusions.
 
Fine. Just to be clear: I didn't agree with changing the Equestria Girls profiles. I agreed with the notion that they should be tier 4, but not with the notion that the profiles should have be changed. Darkanine or Azathoth should have been contacted before any of that happened.
 
It is technically speculation, but the chance of the magic coming completely from the geodes is much higher than the magic partially coming from friendship magic if you read the subtext between the lines wile watching the movie.
 
@Lightbuster30

Can you summarise the issue here, along with the arguments?
 
Antvasima said:
@Lightbuster30

Can you summarise the issue here, along with the arguments?
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Recent updates to the Equestria Girls characters (to tier 4) need to be reverted as they were done without staff approval.
 
Okay. Feel free to do so then.
 
@Firestorm

I am likely the wrong person to approve of them.

@Lightbuster

Can you explain more about the context here.
 
Basically, most of the major EQG AP scales from Starswirl the Bearded not being strong enough to defeat the The Dazzlings normally and needed help just to banish them to the Human world. During Rainbow Rocks, the sirens reach and surpass their previous height of power. The Humane 6 in their Pony-Up forms are able to match them one on one.
 
Also, we need to resolve the issue of whether or not Geode is superior to Friendship.

On a side note, the new episode came out and (SPOILERS) Grogar should probably be upgraded to High 4-C, considering he said he's stronger than all of them combined with a fraction of his power. And Tirek+Chrysalis apparantly equal Post-Discord Tirek. Or at least that's what it looked like.
 
No, he's equal to third form Tirek, before he absorbed the mane 6. Note the fact that he still has shackles where post and pre Discord Tirek did not. Oh, and base Chrysalis did not power Tirek to his 3rd form. A Chrysalis who fed on a monster's love the day before gave him that power. How much power she got we don't know but still.
 
True. That actually makes sense. If they were both around alicorn level, they'd make 2x alicorn level and third-form Tirek is about 2x alicorn level.
 
But yeah

Grogar w/o bell > Post-Equestria/Third Form Tirek > Base Chrysalis > Post-Unicorn/Second Form Tirek

So Grogar now has more evidence of being 4-C. Although I'm pretty sure Second Form Tirek isn't 4-C. He didn't try to challenge the Alicorns until he's in his third form.
 
Why is Base Chrysalis>Base Tirek?

Yeah, cause it's 3 alicorns. And maybe he just wanted to be sure. Either way, Grogar said he's stronger than them combined, so I'm wondering if that's enough for At least Star Level+. Also, he DID say it's with a fraction of his power, so that's even more evidence.
 
Second Form Tirek couldn't absorb Base Chrysalis' magic back in their hideout.

Post-Unicorn/Second Form Tirek only appeared for a short while. He doesn't have any feats at all. The one that stomped Shining Armor and absorbed his magic and decided to challenge the Alicorns was Third Form Tirek which is Post-Equestria.

So all we know so far is that Grogar w/o bell with a fraction of his power is much more powerful than somebody who can challenge Alicorns that's not enough to prove he's at least 4-C+.
 
That could just mean they're comparable. Also, are you sure he didn't absorb the magic? It looked like he got some of it.

True. But like I said, it's not just much stronger than someone who can challenege alicorns, it's much stronger than two creatures who can challenge alicorns, and Star Level+ is just 2.3x Star Level, so it's really close.
 
And at the very least, this should be put on his profile as evidence for 4-C (stated that he's stronger than Second-Form Tirek, Base Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow combined)
 
Chrysalis said Tirek was trying to absorb her essence so it seems like he couldn't absorb it because he's weaker. Which kinda makes sense since he's trying to absorb somebody who gave him enough power to turn into his third form.

4-C+ is 3.295x baseline 4-C I have no idea where you got 2.3x baseline 4-C from.
 
Nevermind what I said about Chrysalis. She was already drained from battling against powerful winds all day, and that love had a full day to digest, so she likely didn't have access to all of it by the time she gave it to Tirek.
 
Yeah, but it's been shown that Tirek also can't absorb the magic of those who are just comparable to him. He couldn't absorb the magic of four-alicorn Twilght, even though they stalemated each other. Also, third-form Tirek is only about 2x alicorn level, so why would Chrsyalis be stronger than him in second-form?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency

So maybe it's 2.795x instead. Same point still mostly stands.
 
Ehh fair enough I guess.

136.066 Tenatons + 760.516 Tenatons = 896.582 Tenatons / 2 = 448.291 Tenatons (4-C+)

448.291 Tenatons / 136.066 Tenatons = 3.29465847456x baseline 4-C
 
It's on the attack potency chart. Star level starts at 136.066 Tenatons and ends at 760.516 Tenatons.

"+" symbol Currently misused to an extraordinary degree on the wiki, the "+" symbol should only be used when the Attack Potency has been calculated to be greater than the average (arithmetic mean) of the high end energy level and low end energy level of a particular tier.

Example: Average of Large Building level is: [2 Tons (low end) + 11 tons (high end)]/2 = 6.5 Tons (the arithmetic mean). All energy levels from 2 Tons to 6.5 Tons should be listed as Large Building level, whereas all energy levels from 6.5 Tons to 11 Tons should be listed as Large Building level+.

So 4-C+ starts at 448.291 Tenatons which is 3.295x baseline 4-C.
 
...how does that work? It seems you're right, but shouldn't the average be the halfway point to the high-end, which is 2.795x?
 
So has anybody modified the Equestria Girls pages back to how they were before yet?
 
Weekly still hasn't answered.

It's not possible for you to judge the Starswirl and Siren scaling?
 
I have watched all of the MLP:FIM and EG episodes, but I am not the right person to evaluate this. Azathoth or Darkanine would be better suited.
 
Okay. They are not active at the moment though. Are other staff members listed in the My Little Pony verse page?
 
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