The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Antvasima]

Btw: In my view the following was a more interesting development in that comic book as I see it. Roxxon's (Exxon's) psychopathic social Darwinian far right capitalist oligarch CEO, Dario Agger, has bought the in-universe version of the Marvel Comics company, possibly in an effort to gain control over the local narrative itself.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/wyUkCV6TxipyjGdAvER7y.jpg

This would fit rather neatly with Al Ewing's previous statements in his latest Defenders series about a Dominion with a "crown above all things" that has an extremely corrupt real world corporate bent to it, especially given the nature of the crown of Yggdrasil as the crown of creation as well, and Loki's involvement in both stories.

Enigma (Multiverse)

Blue Marvel A translation of what our minds can hold. Something vast--coming for our reality. A crown above all things... The Enigma, also known as the Dominion, is a mysterious threat from outside the Multiverse. The Enigma was originally going to threaten the Seventh Cosmos. The Beyonders had...

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Of course, The Dominion could just be an ascended Mother Righteous or one of the versions of Mister Sinister from the X-Men comic books as well, but I find the Dario Agger idea much more compelling and relevant.

 

[Antvasima]

So who do you all think The Dominion is? Dario Agger, one of the Sinisters, or some other character?

 

[Everywhereman]

There's supposed to be multiple dominions so I'm still not sure how 1 somehow became a threat to TOAA, especially considering dominions fear Galactus and the Phoenix. Rn though I'm still saying a sinister.

 

[Tomfer]

First look at "Timeless (2023) Issue 1"

"In TIMELESS (2023) #1, writers Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelly and artist Juann Cabal take you to the Marvel Universe's final days. There, Power Man—the last living super hero—faces off against Moon Knight Unending, a nightmare assembled by StarkTech, the Eternal Machine, and the God of the Moon. With the unstable powers of the Sentry, the Hulk, and the Iron Fist, Power Man must engage in this deeply personal conflict to stave off Khonshu's coming tide of chaos… but can the Marvel Universe ever truly be saved?"

Not gonna lie, it sounds kinda mid.

 

[AcidSilver]

I have added a cropped version of that image to our Marvel and DC instruction page:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/P...mics?type=revision&diff=8231475&oldid=8192924

Ngl, I never thought that Catwoman scan fit that page. The rest are obvious "how the **** did that happen" moments but the Catwoman one has an actual explanation to it. The story makes it very clear that Ivy isn't good at using the powers of characters to their full potential since not only does Batman take Superman out with a whistle in the literal previous page (with Batman pointing out that it wouldn't have worked against Superman in any normal context) but she later accidentally kills him because she screwed up when punching him with Superman. A better example would've been Harley escaping Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman all at once during Heroes in Crisis.

 

[Antvasima]

Ngl, I never thought that Catwoman scan fit that page. The rest are obvious "how the **** did that happen" moments but the Catwoman one has an actual explanation to it. The story makes it very clear that Ivy isn't good at using the powers of characters to their full potential since not only does Batman take Superman out with a whistle in the literal previous page (with Batman pointing out that it wouldn't have worked against Superman in any normal context) but she later accidentally kills him because she screwed up when punching him with Superman. A better example would've been Harley escaping Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman all at once during Heroes in Crisis.

Well, if the Flashes were reduced to "just" moving at a 1000 times the speed of light instead of at infinite speed, it still wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

@Ultima_Reality

Been a long time with no response.
It's a profile creation for a tier 1 its important

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Powerscaling bros......
Stan Lee was right all along

It's good that Marvel characters now have a canonical justification for a Varies tier. It'll make my planned revisions so much easier.

 

[Eseseso]

It's good that Marvel characters now have a canonical justification for a Varies tier. It'll make my planned revisions so much easier.

Speaking of, any progress on those?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Speaking of, any progress on those?

I'm still trying to formulate some thoughts on exactly what I want their new profiles to look like.

 

[Eseseso]

I'm still trying to formulate some thoughts on exactly what I want their new profiles to look like.

Got it.

Any sandbox or anything like that already with what you have planned or no?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Any sandbox or anything like that already with what you have planned or no?

Not yet.

 

[Eseseso]

Not yet.

Ok.

 

[Eseseso]

Welp, after reading "Strange Academy: Miles Morales", "Strange Academy: Moon Knight", and "Strange Academy: Amazing Spider-Man", I've complied all of the powers of enchantimatics here (spoilers, for something that was only in 3 issues, it has some pretty solid hax):

Marvel Magic Extra Stuff

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Now, the series repeatedly makes the point that enchantimatics is just basic magic/sorcery interpreted by math, and Ultima agreed when I showed him this post.

Thus, I think it could probably be added to my Marvel magic sandbox for low-tier/high-tier sorcery (depending on which enchantimatics user used which power), but I'll probably hold off a bit on that.

Any thoughts?

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[Suigetsuhyugs]

Welp, after reading "Strange Academy: Miles Morales", "Strange Academy: Moon Knight", and "Strange Academy: Amazing Spider-Man", I've complied all of the powers of enchantimatics here (spoilers, for something that was only in 3 issues, it has some pretty solid hax):

Marvel Magic Extra Stuff

vsbattles.fandom.com

Now, the series repeatedly makes the point that enchantimatics is just basic magic/sorcery interpreted by math, and Ultima agreed when I showed him this post.

Thus, I think it could probably be added to my Marvel magic sandbox for low-tier/high-tier sorcery (depending on which enchantimatics user used which power), but I'll probably hold off a bit on that.

Any thoughts?

Pretty absurd as i told you, anyone can be almost Scarlet witch level by becoming a genius in math

 

[Eseseso]

Pretty absurd as i told you, anyone can be almost Scarlet witch level by becoming a genius in math

That's a bit much, but I do get your point. Even newbies at enchantimatics were spamming power null, CM Type 3, and EE with utter ease, and Equation (who has even more powers since he invented it) can literally use EE/CM3 and power null with a single thought. Plus he can high-godly regen himself if he just makes a soul projection to do it for him, and he resists EE as well.

My concern is: Since Enchantimatics is basically the exact same as basic magic but just interpreted with math, can the powers I listed be used for low-tier/high-tier sorcerers (the powers that only Equation has shown would only be for high-tier sorcerers and up) or no?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

That's a bit much, but I do get your point. Even newbies at enchantimatics were spamming power null, CM Type 3, and EE with utter ease, and Equation (who has even more powers since he invented it) can literally use EE/CM3 and power null with a single thought. Plus he can high-godly regen himself if he just makes a soul projection to do it for him, and he resists EE as well.

We havent seen it being used in a multiversal scale but this kind of magic is also pretty new in the Marvel universe who knows where its gonna end.

My concern is: Since Enchantimatics is basically the exact same as basic magic but just interpreted with math, can the powers I listed be used for low-tier/high-tier sorcerers (the powers that only Equation has shown would only be for high-tier sorcerers and up) or no?

I'm not sure that can be done, i mean a lot of magic users barely even use basic magic but they use very specific to them magic that can be even considered advanced magic.

By the way since you are now Marvel's "magic expert" do you have anything about magic creatures? For what I read there are all sorts of magical creatures from myths walking around in the world of course not talking about mindless ones or werewolfs. In a recent comic i saw an entire community of magical being based on some Koreian myths and i saw also in the Clea comic that there is a huge community of magic in New York

 

[Tomfer]

Now, the series repeatedly makes the point that enchantimatics is just basic magic/sorcery interpreted by math, and Ultima agreed when I showed him this post.

It's very straight forward, yeah.

Thus, I think it could probably be added to my Marvel magic sandbox for low-tier/high-tier sorcery (depending on which enchantimatics user used which power), but I'll probably hold off a bit on that.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. The only noteable bad thing is that it's something "new" in the verse and we don't know the full extend of their powers yet, but that's pretty much it.

anyone can be almost Scarlet witch level by becoming a genius in math

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Now I would like to see Reed or Tony becoming Gods of magic through math, imagine how absurd that would be.

 

[Eseseso]

Now I would like to see Reed or Tony becoming Gods of magic through math, imagine how absurd that would be.

Funny since Tony barely accepts magic to be different from science, and Reed used to think the same until Skin Armor Doom with magic horribly stomped the F4 and Strange had to drill into his head that magic is not the same as science.

It's very straight forward, yeah.


Personally, I wouldn't mind. The only noteable bad thing is that it's something "new" in the verse and we don't know the full extend of their powers yet, but that's pretty much it.

I doubt we'll see it again, since it was only a 3-issue arc and the guy who invented enchantimatics, Equation, dies at the end of the arc.

 

[Eseseso]

By the way since you are now Marvel's "magic expert" do you have anything about magic creatures? For what I read there are all sorts of magical creatures from myths walking around in the world of course not talking about mindless ones or werewolfs. In a recent comic i saw an entire community of magical being based on some Koreian myths and i saw also in the Clea comic that there is a huge community of magic in New York

There are many magic creatures everywhere around us muggles that only sorcerers can see with their mystic senses.

There are also a lot of higher-dimensional magic creatures, like in a 2015 issue Strange has to save a boy's soul from 6-dimensional soul-eating creatures.

Not sure on mythological creatures. I know vampires can be killed with magic and are more susceptible to being affected it than normal humans.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Funny since Tony barely accepts magic to be different from science, and Reed used to think the same until Skin Armor Doom with magic horribly stomped the F4 and Strange had to drill into his head that magic is not the same as science.

I know its not the same but

I doubt we'll see it again, since it was only a 3-issue arc and the guy who invented enchantimatics, Equation, dies at the end of the arc.

Sincerely I didnt thought Strange academy was gonna last either yet they even made "spin off" with other characters, who knows maybe it does last

 

[Eseseso]

I know its not the same but

...****, take my like.

Sincerely I didnt thought Strange academy was gonna last either yet they even made "spin off" with other characters, who knows maybe it does last

Fair enough. If it does show up I'll discuss it.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

There are many magic creatures everywhere around us muggles that only sorcerers can see with their mystic senses.

There are also a lot of higher-dimensional magic creatures, like in a 2015 issue Strange has to save a boy's soul from 6-dimensional soul-eating creatures.

Not sure on mythological creatures. I know vampires can be killed with magic and are more susceptible to being affected it than normal humans.

I was talking because i read about this

A community of magical characters based on Korean myths

 

[Eseseso]

I was talking because i read about this

A community of magical characters based on Korean myths

Interesting.

Which issue is this from?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Interesting.

Which issue is this from?

White fox infinity comic #1

 

[Eseseso]

White fox infinity comic #1

Neat, I'll check that out.

 

[Tomfer]

I doubt we'll see it again, since it was only a 3-issue arc and the guy who invented enchantimatics, Equation, dies at the end of the arc.

I don't doubt we'll see it again, but I do doubt that they will expand this type of magic.

 

[Antvasima]

It's good that Marvel characters now have a canonical justification for a Varies tier. It'll make my planned revisions so much easier.

Thank you. That would be extremely appreciated. As I stated, I have vainly been trying to explain this to other members for many years now, and been subjected to massive amounts of hostility because of it, despite quoting multiple editors, writers, and even Stan Lee himself.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

If anything DeMatteis also backs up a Varies tier. When asked about how to interpret Marvel Characters. he essentially says the Marvel Universe and all aspects of it is whatever We want/imagine it/them to be. I just personally didn't want to open that kind of can of worms.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Done a new one

Ami Han (White Fox)

Ami Han was born in South Korea as a Kumiho, a mystical Korean yokai, she was raised by her mother who taught her how to hunt and turn into a Kumiho, advising her to hide her true form from others, until she was killed by Samjokgu, three-legged dogs who hunted down the Kumihos until their...

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I would really like to speed up the Wiccan page too.

 

[Eseseso]

Done a new one

Ami Han (White Fox)

Ami Han was born in South Korea as a Kumiho, a mystical Korean yokai, she was raised by her mother who taught her how to hunt and turn into a Kumiho, advising her to hide her true form from others, until she was killed by Samjokgu, three-legged dogs who hunted down the Kumihos until their...

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Looks good.

 

[Robo432343]

TOAA illusion creation

yeah basically toaa is showing peter the thousands and thousands of people he has saved over the years if this isn't illusion creation, what would it be?

vsbattles.com

 

[Antvasima]

Speaking of Wiccan, given that he is prophecised to become a Celestial Messiah who rewrites the laws of magic, and is the manifestation of the Demiurge, who created Marvel's elder gods, do any of you think that he will save everybody from The Dominion?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Speaking of Wiccan, given that he is prophecised to become a Celestial Messiah who rewrites the laws of magic, and is the manifestation of the Demiurge, who created Marvel's elder gods, do any of you think that he will save everybody from The Dominion?

Is there even any connection between the Dominion and Wiccan? Demiurge doesn't affect the marvel omniverse since he created the elder gods as far as I know. Maybe at some point marvel makes Wiccan actually transcend and become demiurge permanently but until then I doubt Demiurge will affect anything. Maybe if the MCU actually creates the young avengers they might use comics to bring more people to watch him.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Since when did NIGHTCRAWLER become spiderman?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Since when did NIGHTCRAWLER become spiderman?

I think it's been a month and a bit in real life, he ask help to Peter and he say he can have his own Spider suit

 

[Tomfer]

First look at Marvel's new interpretation of the future with "AVENGERS: TWILIGHT" by Chip Zdarsky & Daniel Acuña.

"My goal with anything is to create a story that is both new reader friendly and also welcomes in older readers who will enjoy the references sprinkled throughout," Zdarsky explained on the call. "I think if you have a base knowledge of Marvel super heroes, there’s really something for you here. And getting a chance to do something that’s self-contained in six issues with one consistent artist throughout is my favorite kind of project because those are types of books you can sell forever."



The animated trailer of the comic, it will be released on January next year.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Captain Marvel vs Saitama

 

[Tomfer]

Interior art preview of Moon Knight #29 by Jed Mackay.

" THE FINAL HOURS OF MOON KNIGHT!

As the clock ticks down, Moon Knight battles the Black Spectre for the fate of the city – and every step forward is paid for with blood. Will Moon Knight and his allies thwart the Spectre’s scheme? And if they do, what will remain of them?"