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Can enigma crown be High1-A+ or 0 level? He is far superior to HOI/TOAA. He is far beyond Kabbalistic and affects the real world and consumes readers. He is a God AI. He replaces writers and causes writers to lose their jobs.
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No one in marvel is 0.Can enigma crown be High1-A+ or 0 level?
That's unless you separate the Divine Creator from Marvel's composite cosmology.No one in marvel is 0.
It does not. It is a location. You are using the wrong template to create the profile. It should a location template not a character.Can someone provide a scan where Yggdrasill using its abilities.
So um according to the upcoming Fantastic Four issue 18, they retconned the idea of Franklin losing his powers and instead explained away he mindwipes himself of the knowledge he has his powers and suppresses his powers until once a year where they return in all their glory.
They also discuss that Franklin will be one of the only beings left standing at the end of the Marvel Universe, which is a reference to the History of the Marvel Universe.
Which reminds me I still need to create that CRT for Franklin Richards to upgrade him.
did they retcon out the dumb idea of him not a mutantSo um according to the upcoming Fantastic Four issue 18, they retconned the idea of Franklin losing his powers and instead explained away he mindwipes himself of the knowledge he has his powers and suppresses his powers until once a year where they return in all their glory.
They also discuss that Franklin will be one of the only beings left standing at the end of the Marvel Universe, which is a reference to the History of the Marvel Universe.
Which reminds me I still need to create that CRT for Franklin Richards to upgrade him.
I don’t think they did unfortunately. Here is the comicbook scan for anyone curious:did they retcon out the dumb idea of him not a mutant
the retcon is still dumb. Franklin being a mutant has been for long, to just retcon it is wrong. He can still be not connected with x-men but still be a mutantI personally think that it is better to not connect Franklin and the Fantastic Four to the X-Men world, given that Jonathan Hickman, Kieron Gillen, and other cynical, morbid, twisted, corrupt, and amoral writers have turned the X-Men into straight up villains who we are somehow supposed to root for anyway.
Are you referring to how Krakoa only gave cancer cures to nations who let mutants do as they please within them, a policy so bad that even DOCTOR DOOM was disgusted by it?I don't think that it matters if Franklin has the mutant gene or was born with his powers in another way, but I consider the current X-Men narrative to be repulsively morbid and amoral, so I much prefer to keep the Fantastic Four far away from it, as I stated above.
I like them for the most part but I don’t really vibe with the purple hair for the tribunal and chaos looks like a crack head(but I guess that’s kind of the point)What do you guys think of the new designs for the abstracts (courtesy of G.O.D.S.)? They likely won't be permanent though, since M-bodies are dim shadowy reflections of their totality created by the limited perceptions and imaginations of lesser beings.
Honestly, I like them. Especially Eternity's human form.What do you guys think of the new designs for the abstracts (courtesy of G.O.D.S.)? They likely won't be permanent though, since M-bodies are dim shadowy reflections of their totality created by the limited perceptions and imaginations of lesser beings.
There's some I like, but other few are too boring.What do you guys think of the new designs for the abstracts (courtesy of G.O.D.S.)? They likely won't be permanent though, since M-bodies are dim shadowy reflections of their totality created by the limited perceptions and imaginations of lesser beings.
do not like eternity and infinity one. Living tribunal one looks decent with the judge outfit, chaos is too goth style i would have thought it as mistress death just by the photo instead of lord chaosWhat do you guys think of the new designs for the abstracts (courtesy of G.O.D.S.)? They likely won't be permanent though, since M-bodies are dim shadowy reflections of their totality created by the limited perceptions and imaginations of lesser beings.
Completely agree on this, she's just a quirky death 2; a way to fix this would be making her outfits have multiple colors in completely unfashionable and random ways.chaos is too goth style i would have thought it as mistress death just by the photo instead of lord chaos
the specific forms of magic is not needed. There are less than 10 users so it can`t be there. Just have about magic in general not stuff like chaos or limbo magicBtw, I am nearing completion of my marvel magic sandbox, only about 150 issues in 2 series left (plus some minor stuff mostly concerning Scarlet Witch's chaos magic and the Life Force), then I'll reorganize it into tabbers and clean up the formatting and whatnot.
Before I release that though, I will release a CRT based on this sandbox which focuses on character-specific stuff:
Marvel Magic Extra Stuff
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It's also not done yet, but feel free to check it out.
(And just ignore the Enchantimatics stuff if you want, I'm still debating if and how it can be included in the Marvel Magic sandbox)
1. The rule is 5 users, not 10.the specific forms of magic is not needed. There are less than 10 users so it can`t be there. Just have about magic in general not stuff like chaos or limbo magic
still no enough users. You do not amss as much type as you can. Just make the general magic stuff and the specific stuff can be handled in ctrs1. The rule is 5 users, not 10.
2. I'm amassing as many types as possible into one sandbox.
3. Any thoughts on the sandbox above which is the one I actually posted a link to?
I am mainly referring to that the X-Men have let many irredeemably satanically evil psychopathic and genocidal characters who are morally comparable to some of the absolutely worst people in real world human history into the leadership of their team, including Apocalypse, Mister Sinister, Mystique, and Sebastian Shaw, and are perpetuating a supremacist xenophobic isolationist ruthlessly militant narrative of "us versus them, no matter how many people we have to kill to act out our fear of the other".Are you referring to how Krakoa only gave cancer cures to nations who let mutants do as they please within them, a policy so bad that even DOCTOR DOOM was disgusted by it?
Among other problems, such as mostly using his intellect to poison, defile, and break down all human capacity for hope, positive thinking, and otherwise healthy mentality with destructive morbid twisted cynical nihilism, despair, and dystopian concepts in many of his stories (much like Adam Warren does and H.P. Lovecraft did), Hickman seems to do a Jim Starlin here, by conceitedly completely ignoring what has been established by other writers. Al Ewing very clearly retired Infinity with the Seventh Cosmos in his Ultimates storyline.What do you guys think of the new designs for the abstracts (courtesy of G.O.D.S.)? They likely won't be permanent though, since M-bodies are dim shadowy reflections of their totality created by the limited perceptions and imaginations of lesser beings.
Ehm, will it affect Child Franklin?Okay. I'm gathering things to attempt to upgrade Franklin using History of The Marvel Universe and other things. But the general bullet points I have is:
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- Franklin and Galactus were the last beings to survive the end of the Universe. The Author of History of The Marvel Universe uses Universe and Multiverse interchangably, both referring to the last iteration of the Multiverse Galan was from. This means that Franklin and Galactus outlived the Abstracts and other High 1-A entities within the Universe/Multiverse.
- Franklin is stated to have created Multiverses. Multiverses is History of the Marvel Universe only referred to High 1-A (Galan's home multiverse and Living Tribunal)
- Galactus in general is referred to as being the energy that created the previous Multiverse. Franklin definitively should be no weaker than Galactus, as they (he and Galactus) are referred to being a Duality of Ultimate Creator and Ultimate Destroyer.
- Franklin is referred to as the most powerful mutant period, despite Galan having knowledge of the entire Marvel Universe as it canonically takes place at the end of it. Thusly, he should be superior to Mutants who have performed High 1-A feats, such as Jamie Braddock, who warped the White Hot Room.
- Roma feared Franklin could destroy Everything. At first this doesn't have any context, until this scan that implicates that they were afraid that Franklin might destroy the Multiverse, which means they genuinely believe he could. It also means "Cosmos" here refers to Multiverse, otherwise they clearly wouldn't be afraid someone who could just shape a regular "Universe" could destroy the "Multiverse"
I do have the scans of the other points btw, I just didn't feel like going through the ropes of providing scans for everything when this isn't the CRT. Feel free to give feedback and such.
It will. The last point is refering to Child Franklin, and the most powerful mutant ever born was also referring to Franklin in general.Ehm, will it affect Child Franklin?
Wow. High 1-A Hulk (Highly Enraged) and Onslaughti when Franklin gets the upgrade. They both have scaling to himIt will. The last point is refering to Child Franklin, and the most powerful mutant ever born was also referring to Franklin in general.
Why would this be applicable to durability? Survivng the end of the 8th cosmos or any other iteration of the omniverse could mean a number of things, or be achieved in a number of ways. I don't think the two of them standing in the epicenter of the destruction and no-selling omniversal implosion is the most viable interpretation.Okay. I'm gathering things to attempt to upgrade Franklin using History of The Marvel Universe and other things. But the general bullet points I have is:
- Franklin and Galactus were the last beings to survive the end of the Universe. The Author of History of The Marvel Universe uses Universe and Multiverse interchangably, both referring to the last iteration of the Multiverse Galan was from. This means that Franklin and Galactus outlived the Abstracts and other High 1-A entities within the Universe/Multiverse.
Multiverse has never "only ever referred" to High 1-A, it has plenty of meanings. Earth-616 holds an infinite multiverse in its own right. The term "omniverse" (in terms of all of creation below the Mystery and at the level of the Superflow) is what we consider High 1-A according to the cosmology blog, and even then, omniverse has been used interchangebly with multiverse on occasion. Ultima said that the baseline multiverse of alternate earths is just Low 1-A.
- Franklin is stated to have created Multiverses. Multiverses is History of the Marvel Universe only referred to High 1-A (Galan's home multiverse and Living Tribunal)
Noticed we had a profile for this a bit ago. Wasn't planning on doing this at first, but since I used some scans from this series in the cosmology page, I figured I ought to make this thread as a quick thing to keep things consistent. Most likely I'll do a more thorough revision for canon Sentry in the future, though, so watch out for that.
Anyway: Here, Earth-1611 Sentry is scaled to Low 2-C for feats revolving around affecting timelines, and scaling from beings who do the same. However, with recent changes, the branches of the wider multiverse now are Low 1-A, and so Sentry should obviously scale accordingly.
For reference, Destroyer Darkmass, the character who Sentry scales to in the last key, has the main feat of fully presiding over Sentry's original Earth and fragmenting it into countless different universes, which was described earlier on as a multiverse of possibilities. Earlier still, he caused all of those timelines to explode with a wave of his hand (Ontop of Cranio stating his command over that universe is absolute), and in the first issue, he's depicted as physically tearing them apart.
That should just be Galactus in his highest state. Franklin is only ever compared to the universal Galactus, no?
- Galactus in general is referred to as being the energy that created the previous Multiverse. Franklin definitively should be no weaker than Galactus, as they (he and Galactus) are referred to being a Duality of Ultimate Creator and Ultimate Destroyer.
Couldn't this be in terms of potential or some other metric? Another recent upgrade claimed that Legion scaled above all mutants. There are probably plenty of characters who have been called the strongest mutant/asgardian/avenger etc., we shouldn't use statements like that to scale skyfather-level mutants to High 1-A via logically scaling above Jean Grey, or herald-level avengers/asgardians above Rune King Thor.
- Franklin is referred to as the most powerful mutant period, despite Galan having knowledge of the entire Marvel Universe as it canonically takes place at the end of it. Thusly, he should be superior to Mutants who have performed High 1-A feats, such as Jamie Braddock, who warped the White Hot Room.
The "Multiverse" is just Low 1-A, and a "regular universe" is a Low 1-A multiverse in its own right. Also, weren't the Captain Britain corps terrified of Mad Jim Jaspers even before his Jaspers warp caused environmental destruction on a High 1-A scale? It's not like Lady Roma/Opal Luna Saturnyne don't combat Low 1-A threats too.
- Roma feared Franklin could destroy Everything. At first this doesn't have any context, until this scan that implicates that they were afraid that Franklin might destroy the Multiverse, which means they genuinely believe he could. It also means "Cosmos" here refers to Multiverse, otherwise they clearly wouldn't be afraid someone who could just shape a regular "Universe" could destroy the "Multiverse"
We literally don’t get any context of how they survived to be the last left in the iteration. Hickman’s run hinted they would as well. I’m using the most sensible option here since it isn’t really spoon fed to us. All we know is they survived it.Why would this be applicable to durability? Survivng the end of the 8th cosmos or any other iteration of the omniverse could mean a number of things, or be achieved in a number of ways. I don't think the two of them standing in the epicenter of the destruction and no-selling omniversal implosion is the most viable interpretation.
Multiverse has never "only ever referred" to High 1-A, it has plenty of meanings. Earth-616 holds an infinite multiverse in its own right. The term "omniverse" (in terms of all of creation below the Mystery and at the level of the Superflow) is what we consider High 1-A according to the cosmology blog, and even then, omniverse has been used interchangebly with multiverse on occasion. Ultima said that the baseline multiverse of alternate earths is just Low 1-A.
That should just be Galactus in his highest state. Franklin is only ever compared to the universal Galactus, no?
Couldn't this be in terms of potential or some other metric? Another recent upgrade claimed that Legion scaled above all mutants. There are probably plenty of characters who have been called the strongest mutant/asgardian/avenger etc., we shouldn't use statements like that to scale skyfather-level mutants to High 1-A via logically scaling above Jean Grey, or herald-level avengers/asgardians above Rune King Thor.
The "Multiverse" is just Low 1-A, and a "regular universe" is a Low 1-A multiverse in its own right. Also, weren't the Captain Britain corps terrified of Mad Jim Jaspers even before his Jaspers warp caused environmental destruction on a High 1-A scale? It's not like Lady Roma/Opal Luna Saturnyne don't combat Low 1-A threats too.
I intended to work on a profile for Cyttorak, but got disinterested. I might revisit him, but for now, see it as though I no longer have plans for him.Btw, are there any plans by anyone to see if Juggernaut's profile should be revised?
IIRC he fought Cyttorak himself, and that guy is above 1/5 of the Phoenix Force.
X-Men works as a fun superpowered group of friends and family, the whole "Nation" and political part of Krakoa was always really phoned in. Also yeah, the X-men don't have a right to complain about persecution, fear and hate when they have superpowered Gods who can either destroy large pockets of civilization or wipe out all life on the Planet, the whole Krakoa debacle made things infinitely worse interms of public perception.I am mainly referring to that the X-Men have let many irredeemably satanically evil psychopathic and genocidal characters who are morally comparable to some of the absolutely worst people in real world human history into the leadership of their team, including Apocalypse, Mister Sinister, Mystique, and Sebastian Shaw, and are perpetuating a supremacist xenophobic isolationist ruthlessly militant narrative of "us versus them, no matter how many people we have to kill to act out our fear of the other".
It also doesn't help that they enthusiastically have Roman Colosseum-style bloodgames, and casually violate/rape other people's minds without a hint of remorse, even very nice people such as Mister Fantastic, and state outright to the United Nations that they are the new gods of humanity, and will be the new species to replace us.
I don't think that the X-Men ever truly worked as a metaphor for truly persecuted people, as they are portrayed as superior to regular humans and even call themselves "homo superior". That is not a fundamentally tolerance- and equality-based concept, it is an extremely far right entitled social-Darwinian elitist supremacist concept, and the Krakoa storyline engineered by Jonathan Hickman has made things much worse in that regard, likely deliberately, as Hickman is much more intelligent than most of his coworkers who would not understand the satirical political commentary until it was far too late.
Hickman has thoroughly corrupted and destroyed the franchise, unless Kieron Gillen and Al Ewing state that The Enigma/Nathaniel Essex has manipulated history to turn the X-Men into out of character villains to retroactively enable its own rise to power, and that seems unlikely given that Kieron Gillen seems even more gleefully twisted, morbid, amoral, and ideologically anti-idealistic than Hickman is.
Excellent work my dude!