The real cal howard vs. ShadowWarrior1999 - Kirby vs. Archie Sonic

[Idol_of_Legend_and_Elimination]

Wonder if this is fair

4-A Kirby

4-B Sonic

Speed equalized or else Sonic blitzes hard

Who will win?


>accurate footage of Cal outside of my house

 

[Bobsican]

Kirby normally would AP stomp quickly with the sheer AP, but the Fate Manip...

Does it helps against BFR?

 

[Idol_of_Legend_and_Elimination]

BFR is useless since Sonic can teleport

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

LOL that title.

So, what can Kirby do about 2-A power null with the Sword of Acorns?

 

[Kirbyelmejor]

BFR is useless since Sonic can teleport

Can Sonic teleport outside of Kirby's Stomach that is another dimension?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Sonic has dimensional travel so yes.

 

[Kirbyelmejor]

And he resists Mind Hax and Transmutation, so I only see Kirby winning with the AP advantage

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah, he has 2-A mindhax resistance as a 4-B so that Friend Heart is useless.

 

[Idol_of_Legend_and_Elimination]

Let's not forget about Type 8

 

[Bobsican]

Wouldn´t Sonic stomp then with the fate manip?

 

[Wokistan]

waaaay higher AP gets around the power null.

Fate's not a guaranteed thing. It'll let sonic survive some things that should kill him, but he's not holding out forever.

Can sonic actually hurt Kirby with anything in base though?

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Wok Power Null works on 2-As

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah, but it doesn't make Kirby suddenly stop being billions of times stronger. His weird powers and stuff just don't go off. He can still kick sonic or something.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

waaaay higher AP gets around the power null.
Fate's not a guaranteed thing. It'll let sonic survive some things that should kill him, but he's not holding out forever.

Can sonic actually hurt Kirby with anything in base though?

My dude, something that works on 2-As is gonna work on a 4-A.

 

[Wokistan]

Power null doesn't make him not 4-A, nor would it lower durability. If it did, that'd be Statistics Reduction. If that's how it works just make a quick CRT so we can approve that, so its more clear.

 

[Genericstickman]

This is going to end horribly so might as well watch

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Power null doesn't make him not 4-A, nor would it lower durability. If it did, that'd be Statistics Reduction. If that's how it works just make a quick CRT so we can approve that, so its more clear.

Statistics Reduction is on Sonic's profile.

 

[Wokistan]

Top 10 literacy moments with Wokistan

Also do you have the scan for that? I don't doubt that the sword actually does that since I've seen it before, but iirc it was more because Mogul did it than the sword itself being 2-A for all. Don't remember if it was like a dodgable thing either.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Mogul was 4-B when he used it to drain the powers of an Enerjak avatar.

 

[Idol_of_Legend_and_Elimination]

I think Type 8 should save Sonic from the AP gap?

Also if you were wondering then Sonic's fatehax is passive.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Type 8 means Kirby can't kill Sonic, but Sonic passes out in base. It's much more useful in his 2-A keys where he has limitless stamina.

 

[Idol_of_Legend_and_Elimination]

What does Sonic's fatehax do actually? And does it run out overtime or it goes on forever?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

You have got to be ******* kidding me

 

[Wokistan]

Seems like Mogul needed to direct the sword at enerjak to do that, from a close range. So Sonic can win via that, but Kirby can win via killing him if he's able to avoid the sword.

Also Maverick what's wrong?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

lol just surprised I'll vote in a sec

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I think Kirby can take this via transmuation, erasure, corrosion, absorption, BFR, Friend Hearts, Sleep Inducement, and so on. He has a lot of variety going for him.

Being a lot stronger also helps.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

What does Sonic's fatehax do actually? And does it run out overtime or it goes on forever?

It ensures Sonic wins, either by giving him a path to victory or inducing CIS into his opponents (like Scourge willingly exiting his super form, forgetting the negative consequences of using Anarchy Beryl).

Oh yeah it's always passive.

 

[Idol_of_Legend_and_Elimination]

I think Kirby can take this via transmuation, erasure, corrosion, absorption, BFR, Friend Hearts, Sleep Inducement, and so on. He has a lot of variety going for him.
Being a lot stronger also helps.

Transmutation - Sonic resists that

Erasure - Type 8 comes into play

Corrosion & Absorption - Maybe

BFR - Sonic can teleport as stated above

Friend Hearts - Sonic resists mindhax

Sleep Inducement - Maybe

 

[Jinsye]

Sonics type 8 as a 4-KOs him

 

[Idol_of_Legend_and_Elimination]

K. Anyways, anyone wanna cast a vote?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Sign me up for Sonic.

His fate hax will make Kirby job, his resistance to 2-A mindhax even as a 4-B makes Kirby's Friend Hearts useless assuming it hits him in the first place, he can get out of Kirby's stomach with Dimensional Travel, and Sword of Acorns does Kirby in.

 

[Idol_of_Legend_and_Elimination]

Kirby: 7 (Triforce, Cal, Rot,...)

Sonic: 2 (Xta, Shadow)

 

[MYHERO]

I will wait for Cal's input.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sonic gets trashed and as usual, fate hax gets wanked.

Legit, prove that Scourge was a result of the fate hax and not CIS via his arrogance.

Bad mood today and I don't feel like dealing with this. Type 8 is wanked as well, as Sonic is heavily threatened by far less. It's essentially resistance to existence erasure.

I'm 99% sure base Sonic can't dimensionally travel. I'll admit wrongdoing on Super Sonic but base I'm almost positive can't. I'll full eat my fill of humble pie if you can show otherwise but still.

Sword of Acorns isn't even standard equipment lol. What, do we give Batman his Radion Bullet that killed Darkseid in a normal match too now? Does anyone who's ever wielded the Infinity Gauntlet get that as standard equipment?

Back to fate hax, even in canon, Sonic has been beaten multiple times. It's not this infallible shield that you all are banking on over and over. See what Fate said on the Chronomon match. Put him against Reinhard and see what happens for example. Kirby kills him with literally anything, barring Friend Hearts. Even the stuff Sonic resists still gets him killed by the sheer force of it, like the Bubble ability.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

With a Chaos Emerald Sonic can dimensional travel.

Kirby isn't Chronomon. He can't kill Sonic at all. His only option is incap.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

And it was said Sonic has a CE in this match when? Like the Sword of Acorns, it's not something he has on him constantly.

And lol what? Kirby can so easily kill Sonic. Sonic nearly died from getting beaten to death before. You being up the Scourge fight often, Sonic nearly died there. Sonic has never once just gotten up from being beaten around due to that immortality of his. It has always been a result of some sort of erasure.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Chaos Emeralds are standard equipment.

Kirby isn't bypassing that type 8 immortality Sonic has.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Except for slapping him in the face and Sonic dying from that. Literal best case scenario is that Sonic has to die again because Kirby kills him again when he passes out, and Sonic can't pull himself through that ring.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Guess I'll vote Sonic for SW's reasons.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What reasons? The ultimate NLF that Kirby will just miss every single attack he throws when even Eggman has hit Sonic before?

Kirby wins by screaming NLF and punching Sonic in the face. Omega does the same, tbh.