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Edit: I only just saw Iap's and Dark Wrath's votes. My b, you two.
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are we forgeting that this takes place in dio's mension and mercer is basicly indruding on his property and looking how vanilla reacted to a sand copy of dio i'd say he'd be preaty pissed if someone broke into dio's homeTacticalNuke002 said:Ice is not really stupid. Its just that he values his devotion to DIO above his own safety. And I heard that getting poked through your brain stem and brain and having your spine broken will make you act stupider than normal.
Unless Alex insults DIO for whatever reason, Ice is not going to act stupid.
The reason why Mercer didn't infect the entire world that easily in Prototype 2 is due to the fact that the Blacklight Virus can't cross large bodies of water (though Mercer definitely doesn't get harmed by it), which was explained in Prototype 2. Despite it being capable of infecting both living beings and inanimate objects (the feats of Redlight infecting inorganic matter has only ever been shown on solid matter, so there isn't much evidence for Blacklight infecting other states of matter like liquid or gases at high amounts, which was proven by the fact that it is incapable of crossing large water bodies), which is the very reason why the infections was mostly happen in in Manhattan. And he can't exacly use his viral vapours against the Prototype James Heller because Heller is already infected with the Blacklight Virus (there's also the fact that the infected creatures in Prototype 1 was already infected with a virus already similar to Blacklight, which is the Redlight Virus. While Blacklight is essentially a strain of Redlight that is created to be more infectious, deadly, and is basically designed to be overall superior, it still originated from Redlight after all, so there's really no reason why it should try to infect its own predecessor, which is also a virus. Viruses don't try to infect other viruses last I've checked, especially if they lack the benefits for doing so and involves types of viruses that is so similar to one another), which is ineffective to use against someone like Heller in the first place. So my entire argument is not moot, and is in fact still quite valid. And he didn't use infected gases in Prototype 1 because he didn't discover that he can spread the Blacklight Virus through aerial transmission yet (there's also the fact that he was trying to save his city in Prototype 1, so I don't see why he should try to infect it when he has intentions to save it at the time), which is why we only see him do such in Prototype 2 (but definitely has the potential to do it on Prototype 1 once he has grown desperate enough to resort to that). And I've already argued why it's perfectly in-character for Mercer to use his viral gasses at the beginning of a match above, so I'm not repeating that. All of my arguments has been centred on the feats and evidences that the Blacklight Virus could do in the game, while yours hinges on Vanilla not having CIS (which he does) and executing actions he hasn't even shown to do in the canon (like using his stand to hide underground) and lowballing Mercer. I'm not overhyping Mercer here. If anything, your arguments is centred on lowballing or underestimating Mercer's capabilities in some way. Lowballing a character's capabilities isn't a good thing either (which you've attempted to debunk by saying you're only arguing for "the best and optimised way" for Mercer).Ciruno Fortes said:One easy answer.
The entire argument lies on the fact that Alex's infectious gas would've frankly made conquering the entire world a breeze rendering your entire point Moot and the fact that Alex has to pick the best choices from the get go instead of reacting normally like attacking, using thermal vision or any of his literal abilities that aren't as Vapoury. Overhyped Alex is not a good thing.
Well, yeah.Sir sun man said:@DeathNoodles
isn't mercer just a blob of bio mass taking humanoid shape?
we even see in the end of prototype when mercer is refoming that his "bones" are made of some redish substance that is defenely not bone.
dose he even have organs?
The arguments in Vanilla's favour hasn't taken into account on how Vanilla can evade being infected by viral gasses (they were more focusing on lowballing Mercer's capabilities, such as underestimating how willing he is to infect random individuals if anything). So, do you have any argument about how Vanilla can avoid being infected at the cellular-level by the viral gasses and win, an argument which hasn't already been debunked before?ThePixelKirby said:Well, you couldn't pay me to read over all of that.
So, I skimmed over it. Voting for Ice Ice Baby Baby FRA.
Yes, which is an argument I've made already. Technically, he can't poison the void itself, but he can poison the user hiding within it. All it does is transport the swallowed matter to the same unknown dimension that Vanilla hides in. Vanilla might not know where the unknown dimension leads to, but all the canon evidence points to him hiding in that same dimension and knowing that the swallowed matter is there (which further proves that he hides in that same place, thus likely encountering the swallowed matter in that moment), which means the viral gasses gets thrown at him in his dimension and he gets infected.DMB 1 said:Can he poison a literal ball of void?
You sure about that? Every single scan I've seen about Cream's void-sphere links to it swallowing matter and sending it into an unknown dimension. Heck, even the Jojo wikia describes Cream's mouth as "a portal to a void-like dimension", and that it can devour itself to "become a ball-shaped floating portal" (notice the words "portal" being used to describe both functions?). The only difference is that as a void ball, he is effectively invulnerable due to his void swallowing any matter that makes contact with it and is also undetectable, but comes at the cost of being blind (void ball should not matter though, as it still swallows matter the same way as its mouth does, so it ends up with Vanilla getting infected upon Cream swallowing the viral gasses into the same dimension Vanilla hides in, one way or another).CrackerVolley said:Cream's mouth =/= Cream's Void
You guys are misunderstanding. I've meant to say that the Void Ball transports matter just like Cream's mouth, even if they do so through different methods. However, regardless of the mechanics, the result of these two functions are the same. And that result is transporting matter into Cream's unknown dimension which Vanilla hides in. Though I've noticed that Cream's mouth is more used to swallow targets through better precision (probably even swallowing them whole), while Cream's void-ball only swallows matter in portions as it makes contact with such matter. So the reason why Vanilla escapes to Cream's mouth rather than the void ball is most likely due to him not wanting to risk leaving behind parts of himself.TacticalNuke002 said:Cream's mouth =/= Void. While they have similar functions, you'll never see Vanilla jump into the void ball even though its easier and more convenient to do so. He always jumps into Cream's mouth.
It does, as all the evidence links to Vanilla hiding himself in the same dimension that he sends his targets to. And since Vanilla definitely knows where his targets to (while Vanilla has said that he doesn't know where his dimension leads to, he still straight up confirmed that Avdol is dead, which proves that he does know what has happened to Avdol inside the dimension, which means he has to be in the same dimension he sends his targets to in order to have any confirmation that they're dead), that means he'll definitely be in the same place he sends his target to, thus should be the same space as well.TacticalNuke002 said:Well yeah. Won't make a difference if Ice is not in the same space his void sends stuff to.
And when has he thought that? Seriously, when he has first popped out (you know, that same moment when Polnareff scatters sand around to trail where Vanilla is, and managed to predict where Vanilla pops up), he didn't even inflict enough lethal damage to Polnareff before that (and he already saw Polnareff after he tormented Iggy, and then went back into his void-sphere. Heck, the only aggressive move he has made after that is charge at a direction where Polnareff used to be in a straight line, and not much else when he has popped up after Polnareff scattered the sand) and he already knew Polnareff was injured due to damaging his foot. If anything, Vanilla coming out is most likely due to CIS if anything (such as his tendency to peek out of his stand to know where his enemies is), and doesn't actually suggest that Vanilla hides in a different dimensional space in his dimension.TacticalNuke002 said:I doubt that Avdol won't be dead even if Ice doesn't check. Its a disintegrating BFR void ball that took a direct hit. Another evidence of both being separate spaces is when Ice thought he killed Polnareff and comes out of Cream's mouth. If it were the same space, he'd have known that he didn't get Polnareff.
Or it could be, you know, the fact Vanilla moved his void ball in a pattern that made spiral circles on the floor that he thought Polnareff couldn't avoid entirely due to his injuries. All I see there is Vanilla stating that Avdol is the reason he was injured by Polnareff and him wanting to kill Joestar and the rest (and didn't even say anything that suggest that he assumes Polnareff is dead, just that bled because of Avdol and that he wants to kill the rest of the Joestar team), and then getting shocked by Polnareff being stuck in the ceiling with sand. It could be the fact that he was shocked that Polnareff was stuck in the ceiling and that Vanilla didn't saw him when he popped out because of it, rather than shocked by him still being alive. Either way, that isn't enough evidence that Vanilla is hiding in a different dimensional space than the one he sends his targets to.TacticalNuke002 said:He thought that Polnareff was dead when he started moving in a shrinking circle towards the end of the fight. After Iggy rescued Polnareff using his last breath, Ice comes out thinking that he'd gotten Polnareff.