The Player(Wizard101) vs Archie Sonic

[Sonicflare9]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Player_(Wizard101)#Arc 2

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Archie_Pre-Genesis_Wave)#Ultra

low 2-C versions arc 2 wizard and base sonic

whooooooooooo would win

speed equalized

 

[Ben_CleverName]

I'm sure this will piss off a lot of people but I genuinely do not see anything on Sonic's profile that actually matters to the Player save for maybe Plot Manipulation. Especially after the forum move when we add a crap ton more hax to him

Voting for Player for now.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

 

[Sonicflare9]

bump

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

In all seriousnesses, I don't see how Sonic wins this fight. Prehaps someone could explain Sonic's go to abilities?

 

[Eganergo]

Deep breaths... Fatehax!

 

[Ben_CleverName]

The player has himself altered fate before and "reaches beyond their destiny".

Not to mention Arc 2 player is actually 2-A but we haven't CRTed that yet because of the forum migratio

 

[Eganergo]

That would be true if Sonic doesn't bypass acausal type 4, but... he does.

 

[Ben_CleverName]

It literally says on the page for Fate Manipulation that "It's completely useless against those with Acausality." So either Fate Manipulation needs an update or it shouldn't be Fate Manipulation. Saying "lol he negates it" doesn't make any sense when it literally goes against the wiki's description of it. Then there's the part about Acausality Type 4 being vague enough to mean multiple different things to begin with.

Even if we disregard that the player has passive power absorption on a 2-A level (which is already on the profile since they absorbed Morganthe's stolen power for themself). It also looks like Sonic's Fate Manipulation derives from Chaos Manipulation (unless I'm misinterpreting), which the player resists and can dispel.

 

[Eganergo]

Ahem, "Limited Acausality Negation (Claimed by Mammoth Mogul (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave) to have Fate itself intervene with his First and Second Tenure)"

I'm not saying Sonic or Wizard win though.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yeah, there are some people out there who can fatehax their way through acausals, kinda common when it comes to haxed people in this site tbh

 

[Ben_CleverName]

I know what Sonic's profile says, but again it's contradicted by Fate Manipulation's profile. Either way, if it really is derived from Chaos then the player can just negate/resist it.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I know what Sonic's profile says, but again it's contradicted by Fate Manipulation's profile. Either way, if it really is derived from Chaos then the player can just negate/resist it.

Acausality Type 4 can be bypassed by strong enough fatehax (with feats) since it only makes you exist in a different system, not completely outside/beyond of it

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Bump?

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I will reply later

 

[NekoMorgana647]

That game was the shit back then, (too bad I gave up my account to some random kid in 5th grade lol), I guess I vote for the player.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Not using 2-A forms was a mistake

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

For starters, The Player has smurf hax even in arc 2. His spells and abilities can affect 2-A beings such as The Three Titans.

• He has passive 2-A power nullification, which includes nullify conceptual abilities in Wizard101, which includes things like fate hax, on top of the fact he is cut off from fate and destiny anyway. Sonic will have to resist powerful 2-A power nullification that affects concepts and bypasses resistances in order to do anything releavnt in this fight

• He also has passive 2-A absorbtion. In the fight with Morganthe he absorbed the power she was going to use to reset the Spiral's multiverse, and he didn't even notice he was absorbing her powers, it just happened, which has been accepted to be infinitely above baseline, and I don't see Sonic surviving 2-A passive absorption of his energy

• The Player has numerous other passive abilities, but those are the main ones. He can also mind hax sonic beyond any resistance he has

All in all, this is a stomp.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

2-A sonic lol

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Fail to sure how that responds to my points.

We can make this a 2-A fight if you want Sonic to get stomped even harder.

 

[Eganergo]

Wizard is the stronger 2A afaik.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

yes.

 

[Zencha9]

Wizard is the stronger 2A afaik.

don't get me wrong wizard101 is hax as f

but they are no way near these guys

 

[Ben_CleverName]

Stronger =/= strongest.

Besides Wizard101 may not even remain 2-A for much longer.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@Zencha

We'll see about that.