The Outsider vs Dracula (8-0-0)

[Arcker123]

Was inspired by this thread so why not

Both Low 2-C

Speed =

SBA otherwise

Unaware if stomp.... lets see

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[Arcker123]

i'm also 99% outsider resists dracula's passives.

 

[Stillwinston]

Ooooo boy

Right AP-ing Dracula is moot as he can come back from being vaporised I guess, Dracula has the following passives

(Transmutation, Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Possession, Law Manipulation and Corruption) on a 4D scale, pretty sure he has passive Power Null too. All his powers come from a Type 1 Abstract too.

So I know OS has NEP, though considering Dracula's powers have Type 2 Concept Manip in them he should be able to at least attack him directly I guess

 

[Arcker123]

if its on a 4D scale is this not a stomp?

 

[Stillwinston]

Shouldn't Outsider resist them? Is the Void a 4D place?

 

[Arcker123]

It's tier 2 in size but if that means higher D i would not know.

 

[Stillwinston]

I see, I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment there. I was thinking the Void was 4D. Considering OS has Omnipresent speed that might beat passives? Idk there

 

[Arcker123]

The void considers time as meaningless, but i would not know if this means 4D.

 

[Arcker123]

Also the "ritual hold" exists outside of time itself.

 

[Stillwinston]

Hmmm, I'm not really sure here I'll wait for others to chime in. I will say I'm fairly certain Dracula can harm and affect OS directly tho considering his Concept Manip

 

[Arcker123]

He also has void manip, he should be able to interact with him.

 

[Arcker123]

Also does draculas time manipulation resistance resist time stop?

 

[Stillwinston]

Time Stop is a subset of Time Manip so yes Dracula should resist it, unless OS has Time Manip on the level of Aeon I guess

 

[Arcker123]

Aeon?

 

[Stillwinston]

This guy

Aeon (Castlevania)

Aeon is a character from the Castlevania series, appearing in Castlevania Judgment as an original and primary character. He is a Time Watcher, a member of an organization that watches over and preserves the flow of time. Since Galamoth seeks to take Dracula's throne by erasing the time that he...

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[Arcker123]

Than no....

 

[Arcker123]

will fate manip work?

 

[Stillwinston]

Possibly, though I'm not sure if OS can do that while being passive'd to heck and back atm unless we find smth that says he can resist

 

[Arcker123]

this is probably a stomp right now if that is true.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Th Outsider's resistances ar 4-D so he should be able to resist Drac's passivs just fine

Domino hard counters Drac's regen

 

[Arcker123]

4D?

 

[Stillwinston]

Does Domino also include Death Manip?

 

[Arcker123]

IIRC Domino is fate hax that allows outsider to link the fates of 2 or more people together in a chain. If one were to die, the entire chain would.

 

[Stillwinston]

So would that include Death Manip if your basically going to die out of it?

 

[Arcker123]

yeah, you die because your fate is directly tied to one person, if they die you die.

 

[Stillwinston]

If it includes Death Manip then Dracula should resist considering the literal abstract of it is something that's a part of his castle and he manipulates on a regular basis

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Does Domino also include Death Manip?

Domino isnt death manip no, its fate manip, basically indirectly causing a natural death by physically killing another being

The Outsider can literally just link Dracula's fate to a rat, kill the rat, and both of them would die

 

[Arcker123]

I think i worded it poorly, it's not literal death manip, it kills you as byproduct of his fate manipulation.

Edit: Ninja'd

 

[Stillwinston]

Ah IC, so its late at night for me rn so I'm just gonna ask does OS resist Dracula's Passive Power Null? Also even if Dracula dies he can still function as a disembodied spirit probably, the only way he was stopped after dying was because the Belmonts were able to null him after killing him first iirc

 

[Arcker123]

How does it work

 

[Stillwinston]

Power Nullification (Through the Giant Ghost and Dead Crusader Souls and powers of his own which nullify magic and abillities)

Dead Crusader nulls any damage. Giant Ghost curses you iirc (Curse Manipulation (Which can prevent the target to use their weapons, cast spells or use items, and rapidly drain magic))

Dracula's castle also passively nulls and Giant Ghost's status wears off over time, but the only reasons the protagonists of Castlevania can resist to begin with is due to the Belmonts/Morris clans having the Vampire Killer whip, Alucard is stated to exist outside of his Father's powers iirc and Shanoa had Dominus on her by the time Dracula appeared afaik.

 

[Arcker123]

Seems like a stomp again.

 

[Stillwinston]

Maybe, depends on if anyone in Dishonored resisted Power Null as logically that ties back to OS afaik. If this does become a stomp u could try Soma Cruz in his first key I guess

 

[Arcker123]

i'm getting one of the novels so we will see, if enough people think it is more fair, i guess i will change it.

 

[Arcker123]

Maybe, depends on if anyone in Dishonored resisted Power Null as logically that ties back to OS afaik. If this does become a stomp u could try Soma Cruz in his first key I guess

Actually, i did find this statement on the dishonored wiki on the summary of one of the novels

"Corvo reacts with both the Warfare Overseers and Slackjaw's men, who agreed to help him out again. While the situation is first in Corvo's favor thanks to the Overseer's Music Boxes, it is turned around when they realize the Ancient Music has no effect on the Whalers' powers."

As to the credibility, take it or leave it i guess.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah Anti-Magic exists in Dishonored and the Outsider isnt affected by it

 

[Arcker123]

Until i can get my hand on an actual copy of the novel and confirm this, this should be postponed

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Theres three novels tho

 

[Arcker123]

The excerpt is from corroded man, which i think i can get.

 

[Arcker123]

Also how does "can only be killed by specific Holy / Vampiric Weaponry" work, would non physical attacks still affect him.