The Last Jedi Discussion Thread SPOILERS!!!!

[Js250476]

No offense but that taste tho

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

yes and that's my opinion.. ill stand by it. for the most part, it is imo.. with a few exceptions here and there

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Cade Skywalker is one of my least favorite Post ROTJ era characters, while obviously not the only character but he is one of the few that stick out.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'll repeat what I said.

Bruh.

Just, bruh.

 

[The_Everlasting]

"Chosen one droid that ends up saving the galaxy"

When did this actually happen.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

then bruh all you want, if you like it go read it and enjoy it. no one is stopping you.. but dont force it down someone else's throat cause you like it.

 

[Js250476]

Personally I would like to see a C3PO and R2D2 buddy cop film being serious here

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@ever. Skippy

 

[The_Everlasting]

Skippy isn't canon.

@Js

Well they got a few "misadventures" episodes in TCW.

Does that count?

 

[Js250476]

Yeah I heard they had a few books together to it's just I think a film would be great to imo

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Skippy is part of the legends continuity.. if anything.. there's no clear Canon in Legends in the first place... which is also a big problem with that continuity .. Don't get me wrong I do love Legends but I don't think it's as perfect as a lot of the users are making it out to be

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

also something Blue pointed out earlier.. it is unfair to compare a three-decade-old continuity with one that's barely half a decade-long

 

[The_Everlasting]

There is though.

Skippy's story was published under the Star Wars: Infinities label, which denotes non-canon stories.

 

[Js250476]

Kylo was alright in Last Jedi imo but the more I see him the more I really miss Darth Caedus tbh

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

There's a variety of levels of canon in the Legends continuity..the only main canon thing was the films.. which would fall under G canon

 

[Js250476]

Yeah Star Wars had one of the most confusing canons ever before Disney iirc

 

[The_Everlasting]

Canon in Star Wars is actually very easy:

G-Canon: The movies.

T-Canon: The Clone Wars.

C-Canon: Basically everything else. The novels, comics and video games.

S-Canon: Stuff that exists but can be ignored when necessary, like the early Marvel Star Wars comics.

N-Canon: Non-canon things.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

People make it out as a bigger deal than it really is.. your legends novels aren't gone. you can always read them again if you want to. it's not like Disney erased your books from existence (don't worry they still there no need to check). Just because your fav storyline isn't "canon" doesn't mean you cant still enjoy the stories.. it will always be there. the fact that we have two continuities is a good thing. it means we can satisfy alot more people.. but the fact that you want the new canon to literally do what the old one did is pretty stupid... why do you want the same stories told over again... I mean you don't like how the new Luke is portrayed or don't like Kylo. fine then go read the legends novels. same with me. I hate the whole Palpatine clone thing... so i can choose to read the new canon without having to worry about a clone Sidious popping out somewhere

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@ever. then we would need a lot of different keys for out star wars characters

 

[Js250476]

@Ever well that's a lot simpler then I thought I guess hearing there were several different levels of canon gave me the idea it would be confusing

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Legends >>>> Disney. Even the most decent Disney stuff is just rehashed Legends stuff.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Ever. The force unleashed is both a novel, a game and a comic.. which one is canon? hmm, considering they were both made at the same time. and each of these incarnations handles stuff differently

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also Palpatine cloning himself does fit with his character which was built mostly through Legends. His ultimate goal was to achieve immortality and godhood, and to turn all sentient life into his slaves. And while he hadn't yet cracked the secret to Immortality, he settled for the next best thing.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Matt Opinion not fact.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Matt..its only in his character cause the novel said so.... regardless never liked it... it cheapened Darth Vader's sacrifice

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Ever. The force unleashed is both a novel, a game and a comic.. which one is canon? hmm, considering they were both made at the same time. and each of these incarnations handles stuff differently

All are equally canon. Just like with Dark Empire being both a comic and an audio drama.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

i can do the same with the current canon. Bloodline novel>Legacy Imo

 

[Js250476]

I'm glad TCW is Stil Canon at least that was dope when I first watched it

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also, seriously. Read Darth Plagueis, Shadow. You'll understand why Legends Sidious is so great. Disney Sidious is so much more shallow.

 

[Js250476]

Yeah you wouldn't tell Sidious was a great villain with just the movies and other canon stuff

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Matt I have..Disney Sidious is shallow because we haven't gotten content on him. also, do I have to remind you that this novel came out 28 years into the legends canon?... there is no real reason to say that the Disney canon won't create a Novel just as good or better in a few years.

 

[Js250476]

Sidious was pretty great in TCW imo

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

like i said before.. your selling a continuity short.. thats like 5 years old.. obviously it wont have as much content.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I feel like everyone thinks I'm just hating on Legends.. in fact, I love legends.. and as a whole, it has more interesting stuff. but I can identify why .. at the end of the day Legends had way more time to develop its universe... while the Disney canon has not... just because a new continuity doesn't do exactly what the older one did doesn't make it bad by any means.. as for them stealing.. you cant really steal.. from yourself... Disney's move to make a blank continuity was a wise one. not only can it give the universe a fresh start and create a more cohesive canon but also allow some parts of the older continuity to return.. such as thrawn.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The original Thrawn Trilogy came like, within 5 years of the original EU existing and that is far better than anything Disney has done in the same time span. Also the original movies are far better than the Disney ones.

 

[Js250476]

That I think everyone can agree on especially something like ESB

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Matt no..that was close to a decade into the Original EU.

i think both force awakens and TLJ, Rouge one are better than TPM, and AOTC..

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

also. they are star wars movies.. not the original ones and Disney ones... Disney owns all of them.. the only Original movies by that definition is the OT.

 

[Js250476]

I think Matt means the OG trilogy and ROTS when he says Original moves

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Also Lost Stars, bloodline, Sith lords Rebel rising, Phasma are all fantastical books in their own rights

Disney canon Darth Vader comics are absolutely amazing aswell

are they better than the Thrawn Trilogy? nah

but they are a lot better than most of your average Legend novels

Disney canon ranges from Meh to good

while Legends can range from absolute garbage to Masterpieces.